Beterbiev is on another level not seen often throughout history.

[ShoulderRoll]

So then why do you keep insinuating Artur is dirty
Never even tested positive for peds

Beterbiev can’t be called a cheat because he didn’t test positive.

But he can be sad to be su****ious because of the atypically high levels of HGH and testosterone that VADA found. IronDan himself has said he finds it su****ious, so…

[IronDanHamza]

He even provided receipts of what he ate and the dates on the receipts matched up with the failed tests. There was also the hair follicle test he submittted to, which was supposed to detect if clenbuterol was present in his system going back 6 months but came back negative.

In every way the case he presented in his defense was far superior to that of Conor Benn.

He did? Provide these receipts please.

You don't even know Conor Benn's case because it's confidential, so, you can't say that.

What we do know is he won his case.

[IronDanHamza]

Beterbiev can’t be called a cheat because he didn’t test positive.

But he can be sad to be su****ious because of the atypically high levels of HGH and testosterone that VADA found. IronDan himself has said he finds it su****ious, so…

But VADA said it's not su****ious and in fact common.

Doesn't that mean you don't find it su****ious?

Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt?

[MulaKO]

Beterbiev can’t be called a cheat because he didn’t test positive.

But he can be sad to be su****ious because of the atypically high levels of HGH and testosterone that VADA found. IronDan himself has said he finds it su****ious, so…

So we can say even worse about Canelo
Does that hold true then ?

[IronDanHamza]

You can have a hard time believing that all you want.

But if you’re honest about it you will admit that you have a harder time believing Conor Benn. Since clomiphene is not allowed in egg production in the UK and he provided neither receipts nor the places where he allegedly got the eggs from.

How do you know that?

Have you seen the evidence provided in the hearing?

[IronDanHamza]

I'm not talking about now. I'm talking about when he was an active fighter.

So you'd agree that Floyd left America frequently when active also then?

Do you have an example of Ngannou leaving America for a training camp? I don't recall a single time that happened.



You might want to look up the word "circular". Because the word circular doesn't apply here.

They're also only never ending because you don't answer the questios.

So I'll try again;

Floyd doesn't and has never done USADA 365 testing (Unlike Ngannou who did it over over a decade) so I don't see the relevance as to why.

Is Floyd not likely clean, since he travels and doesn't do 365 USADA testing? We need to get these things clarified for you to justify your stances.






They are both atypical and both su****ious, that's what matters.

You deem Floyd not su****ious because USADA deemed it so but not the case when VADA deem beterbeiv not su****ious and in fact a common occurrence.

Why do you take USADA's word as authority and not VADA? I thought you said VADA were better than USADA?

You can't have both. Unless you're saying VADA are corrupt? Why won't you answer that?

ShoulderRoll

Why are you not answering the following questions?

You remember what you said it means when you don't answer questions, don't you?

You going to take an L on this one and or will you answer the questions?

[ShoulderRoll]

So we can say even worse about Canelo
Does that hold true then ?

You can call Canelo a drug cheat because he failed a test. Yes.

[ShoulderRoll]

He did? Provide these receipts please.

You don't even know Conor Benn's case because it's confidential, so, you can't say that.

What we do know is he won his case.

Yes. As reported by several sources.

What we do know is that Conor Benn’s case is not closed. UKAD has filed an appeal as has the BBBoC. And Benn still isn’t licensed to fight in the UK.

[billeau2]

Very Golovkin-like imo. Great fighter but can be out boxed by an elite fighter with the right style. Chin maybe not quite at GGG level though.

Great analysis... I am on the fence on this one, but you make some great points. Hard to call... Beterbiev has shown some elite level mojo: He has become more methodical, breaking down his opponent systematically, and he seems to work efficiently. Could he cut the ring against an elite boxer? unfortunately I do not think Bivol will tell us much on this account. Jones, Toney, Hopkins, among others, fought long professional careers against many fine fighters, Bivol, like many these days, imo is more an amatuer styled fighter, not on the same level.

[IronDanHamza]

Yes. As reported by several sources.

What we do know is that Conor Benn’s case is not closed. UKAD has filed an appeal as has the BBBoC. And Benn still isn’t licensed to fight in the UK.

Provide these receipts please.

And? He's had his case and won it and his suspension is lifted.

He's done the due process and he's been cleared.