So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[tokon]

What exactly does "atypical" mean in relation to PED testing?

"Atypica" with reference to what?

And what factors are they considering?

Some of he older regimes used to be based on testosterone:/epitestosterone ratios rather than the actual testosterone level and was relatively easily manipulated. Additionally the "acceptable" ratio limits were three or four higher than would be "typical".

I thought VADA routinely did carbon isotope testing to determine if the testosterone was exogenous, irrespective of level or ratios?

[AKAcronym]

It is a fact that both Nonito and Canelo did 24/7/365 VADA testing.

Do you think someone who does community service for getting in trouble is the same as someone doing community service because they chose to? They aren’t comparable.

[ShoulderRoll]

So because he's never failed a test since the two failed tests?


Beterbiev is on the VADA site as being enrolled with VADA, but they don't make the distinction (that I've found) between VADA and VADA 365

Yeah, I think he has been clean since he popped for clenbuterol because he has tested with VADA in pretty much every fight since.

And there was never anything testosterone or HGH related with him.

[IronDanHamza]

What exactly does "atypical" mean in relation to PED testing?

"Atypica" with reference to what?

And what factors are they considering?

Some of he older regimes used to be based on testosterone:/epitestosterone ratios rather than the actual testosterone level and was relatively easily manipulated. Additionally the "acceptable" ratio limits were three or four higher than would be "typical".

Nowadays thought VADA routinely did carbon isotope testing to determine if the testosterone was exogenous, irrespective of level or ratios?

That would be for VADA to clarify I suppose. It is ambiguous.

I'm not entirely sure of their process. I just know they tend to use these "atypical" finding more so as a black mark in a book kind of thing.

[ShoulderRoll]

Right, you don't need to tell me how rare that PED linked condition is.

How many? There isn't a number to my knowledge but I'd imagine it's a lot more than that.

It's neither here nor there, both are very obvious reasons for su****ion.

To deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite is ******.





Stevenson, Bute, Alvarez, Beterbiev Join WBC/VADA Program - Boxing News (boxingscene.com)

From what I can gather, this source from 2016 says that Beterbiev enrolled in 365 VADA testing.

Perhaps CasperUK can clarify since he alleges Beterbiev does 365 VADA.

Everything you just said about Canelo is also the case for Beterbiev and on top of that Beterbiev has never failed a drug test.

But to you, the one who failed multiple drug tests is "likely clean" and the one who has never failed a drug test is "very suspect."

How could you possibly hold that opinion?

There isn’t a number to your knowledge? But you imagine it’s a lot more?

Ok.

And your source just says that Beterbiev enrolled in the WBC Clean Boxing Program. Which we already know.

[IronDanHamza]

Yeah, I think he has been clean since he popped for clenbuterol because he has tested with VADA in pretty much every fight since.

And there was never anything testosterone or HGH related with him.

And that means entirely zilch in regards to whether he's likely clean or not.

Conor Benn has completed a VADA test since his failed one and is doing so again for his Feb fight. Are you going to deem Conor Benn likely clean?

You see the problem here, don't you?

It's one rule for one and not for all the others with your ****** backwards logic.

[ShoulderRoll]

Do you think someone who does community service for getting in trouble is the same as someone doing community service because they chose to? They aren’t comparable.

You can certainly make the comparison that they are both doing community service. Because they factually are.

[IronDanHamza]

There isn’t a number to your knowledge? But you imagine it’s a lot more?

Yes I'd imagine it's a lot more, not sure what's funny about that? I don't know the numbers on it, but elevated test levels are not that overly uncommon whereas Rabdo is uncommon.

What matters is they are both reasons for su****ion of PED use. Realistically with Ortiz' probably being more su****ious if we had to guess.

You deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite. Which is ****** and ignorant.

And your source just says that Beterbiev enrolled in the WBC Clean Boxing Program. Which we already know.

Ok and it states; "Adonis Stevenson, Lucian Bute, Eleider Alvarez and Artur Beterbiev will now participate in a serious new protocol in which they may be blood and/or urine tested anytime, 365 days per year. They must be available at all times for an unexpected test."

Everything you just said about Canelo is also the case for Beterbiev and on top of that Beterbiev has never failed a drug test.

But to you, the one who failed multiple drug tests is "likely clean" and the one who has never failed a drug test is "very suspect."

How could you possibly hold that opinion?

[AKAcronym]

You can certainly make the comparison that they are both doing community service. Because they factually are.

You just can’t admit they aren’t comparable can you? I should’ve expected these responses coming from you.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Yeah they do. So do Americans. The list of doping Americans is very long.

And yet the US and every other country still get to compete in the Olympics because it's not state supported and institutionalized like it is in Russia. That's like saying "but Canada plays football too." Not even the same league, as far as what I was referring to. Barely even the same game.