So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[AKAcronym]

Canelo doesn't do true 24/7/365. You think he's getting tested right now or at any times like this between fights? He starts getting tested whenever a fight is announced. Don't compare him to Donaire.

[IronDanHamza]

I’d say he’s more suspect than Vergil Ortiz due to actually finding atypical test and HGH levels. They didn’t find anything like that with Ortiz, just rhabdo.

They're no more su****ious than one another. Both raise obvious reasons for su****ion.

You deem one "very suspect" and the other not. Why?

That is what's commonly known as a double standard.

Beterbiev doesn’t do true 24/7/365 VADA like Canelo did after his positive clenbuterol test. He is in the WBC Clean Boxing Program which has some detractors.

But as I say, he hasn’t failed a test so you can’t really call him a cheater.

But yet here you are heavily implying that he is.

How doesn't he? What 365 VADA does Beterbiev do that differs?

What does it matter anyway, how can you not have the position that he is likely clean if he's enrolled in VADA like you do Canelo?

[jaded]

IBF, WBC & WBO light heavyweight champion Artur Beterbiev vs. Callum Smith has been confirmed to be still on for this Saturday, January 13th, with Beterbiev's tests with VADA coming up negative after his December 6th, blood & urine sample showed atypical results. Atypical Findings, Not Positive Tests Beterbiev's December 6th test was atypical for human growth hormone (HGH) and 5D-androstanediol, both naturally occurring substances. In response to those positive tests, additional tests were required for Beterbiev on December 15 and 21 and January 3rd, with all coming in negative. Follow-up Tests Clear the Air
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They're no more su****ious than one another.

That’s arguable, though, isn’t it? I personally think it’s more su****ious to have elevated levels of test and HGH than it is to have rhabdomyolysis. Which is not an uncommon medical condition among people who don’t use PEDs at all.

But yet here you are heavily implying that he is.

How doesn't he? What 365 VADA does Beterbiev do that differs?

What does it matter anyway, how can you not have the position that he is likely clean if he's enrolled in VADA like you do Canelo?

I’m saying Beterbiev is suspect.

The WBC Clean Boxing Program is different than Canelo (or Nonito Donaire) having enrolled for 24/7/365 VADA for a time. The funding is limited and that limits how many tests they actually pay for and conduct every year.

It’s better than no testing certainly. And Beterbiev didn’t fail his test. So those are positives in his favor.

[IronDanHamza]

That’s arguable, though, isn’t it? I personally think it’s more su****ious to have elevated levels of test and HGH than it is to have rhabdomyolysis. Which is not an uncommon medical condition among people who don’t use PEDs at all.

Well depending on the levels, having elevated test levels is actually more common than having rhabdo, so, you're wrong as per usual.

It's not arguable really, no. Neither are evidence for PED use but both raise su****ion for possible PED use.

You deem one "very suspect" and the other the the opposite.

It's just ridiculous really. It's none stop ******ity and ignorance with you on this topic.

You look at both of these situations and deem one very suspect and the other the opposite. It's totally illogical to do so.

I’m saying Beterbiev is suspect.

The WBC Clean Boxing Program is different than Canelo (or Nonito Donaire) having enrolled for 24/7/365 VADA for a time. The funding is limited and that limits how many tests they actually pay for and conduct every year.

It’s better than no testing certainly. And Beterbiev didn’t fail his test. So those are positives in his favor.

Right, so clearly you're not aware that Beterbiev enrolled in 24/7/365 VADA for a time as well. Not sure on the time frame but I'd imagine longer than Canelo did.

Either way it's irrelevant, you said Canelo is "likely clean" because he completed a few VADA procedures. Beterbiev did the literal exact same thing and you deem him "very suspect".

How could you possibly hold that opinion whilst also having a working brain?

[AKAcronym]

That’s arguable, though, isn’t it? I personally think it’s more su****ious to have elevated levels of test and HGH than it is to have rhabdomyolysis. Which is not an uncommon medical condition among people who don’t use PEDs at all.



I’m saying Beterbiev is suspect.

The WBC Clean Boxing Program is different than Canelo (or Nonito Donaire) having enrolled for 24/7/365 VADA for a time. The funding is limited and that limits how many tests they actually pay for and conduct every year.

It’s better than no testing certainly. And Beterbiev didn’t fail his test. So those are positives in his favor.

It didn't take Nonito failing a test to enroll. It's safe to say if Canelo never failed, he never would've signed up. And so what, he did it for a year and suddenly that's that? Canelo has the money himself to pay for testing, like Nonito did, but I doubt he's continuing it. Like I said, don't compare Canelo to Donaire.

[Pac=Duran]

Russians have a LONG history of doping. Can't even compete in the Olympics as a country any more because they're such blatant cheats, and they're still doing it anyways.

Yeah they do. So do Americans. The list of doping Americans is very long.

[IronDanHamza]

It didn't take Nonito failing a test to enroll. It's safe to say if Canelo never failed, he never would've signed up. And so what, he did it for a year and suddenly that's that? Canelo has the money himself to pay for testing, like Nonito did, but I doubt he's continuing it. Like I said, don't compare Canelo to Donaire.

Canelo is "likely clean" in his mind

Beterbiev on the other hand, "very suspect"

Literally makes zero sense.

[AKAcronym]

Canelo is "likely clean" in his mind

Beterbiev on the other hand, "very suspect"

Literally makes zero sense.

I understand the deep, deep…deep love he has for Canelo but sometimes…

[ShoulderRoll]

Well depending on the levels, having elevated test levels is actually more common than having rhabdo, so, you're wrong as per usual.

It's not arguable really, no. Neither are evidence for PED use but both raise su****ion for possible PED use.

You deem one "very suspect" and the other the the opposite.

It's just ridiculous really. It's none stop ******ity and ignorance with you on this topic.

You look at both of these situations and deem one very suspect and the other the opposite. It's totally illogical to do so.





Right, so clearly you're not aware that Beterbiev enrolled in 24/7/365 VADA for a time as well. Not sure on the time frame but I'd imagine longer than Canelo did.

Either way it's irrelevant, you said Canelo is "likely clean" because he completed a few VADA procedures. Beterbiev did the literal exact same thing and you deem him "very suspect".

How could you possibly hold that opinion whilst also having a working brain?

If the test and HGH levels were atypical then by definition they weren’t common. Right?

Rhabdo happens to Crossfitters and marathon runners and others due to extreme exertion. Without PEDs having been involved. So of course it’s arguable.

When and for how long did Beterbiev enroll in 24/7/365 VADA testing? Was it for as long as Canelo?