So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[Superbee]

You guys are worst than my Mom was... And she was VERY bad ....

[jaded]

https://www.boxingscene.com/forums/b...-2-weeks-later

A link to the article jaded got this from.

Not sure why you closed the thread, uploaded the image and didn't just link the article.

You're using the images now! Was obviously useful.

The whole thing stinks of something dodgy. No need to defend it. I like Artur too, but it's not right.

You see why your thread was closed. Post in here, we don't need numerous threads about this.

[jaded]

I'd be interested to see the data from the 6 December. There is a lot of time between that and the negative results on the 15th December and beyond and I'd fully expect if he stopped taking his levels would return back to or towards normal or that would be enough time to potentially get it out of his system and back into more normal ranges, should that be the case - Not saying it is.
I am also lead to believe that urine isn't as accurate as blood testing. The 15th was urine and he wasn't blood tested again until 21 December - per Iole.
Maybe its nothing and could be a false positive or just a spike (not sure how much levels can fluctuate in certain periods to be honest) or maybe even a side effect from medication as I presume he'll have been on some sort of medication following his injuries and procedure.

My source is the Eddie Hearn video I posted and Kevin Iole who I believe broke the news.

"There was an atypical finding in Artur Beterbiev’s VADA test in December,” Smith’s promoter, Eddie Hearn, said in response to the news. “Raised levels of HGH and testosterone, not an adverse finding, but an atypical finding, which is still raised levels.

The A & B sample were both drawn Dec 6th. Nothing toward took place.

[Mammoth]

So elevated testosterone is fine...

Trace levels of PEDs aren't.

Yep..........

[champion4ever]

These guys have been cheating the sport we love for years. Where’s the integrity?

[N/A]

Russians have a LONG history of doping. Can't even compete in the Olympics as a country any more because they're such blatant cheats, and they're still doing it anyways.

Man, it is not that it isn't true, but the bigger countries are the biggest cheaters, it's not like the US athletes are any better. There is no point in going into that narrative.

Since it's atypical it could be something related to the body or supplements, who knows... Nowadays you can never be sure.

[HeadShots]

Are you being sarcastic or do you really believe those are signs of HGH use?

Look at Barry bonds head

[MulaKO]

Must be a slow mma day
Fugh head is in the house
lmfao

[QueensburyRules]

So elevated testosterone is fine...

Trace levels of PEDs aren't.

How elevated would the natural elements need to be, and how low would the trace elements need to be before you'd be more concerned by the former than the latter? It is the answer 'never'. I'm convinced that's not right.

And of course why trust the scientists when they say the elevated levels are above the threshold but are just 'atypical', compared to the same scientists saying that trace levels are insignificant and consistent with an isolated contamination event?

It feels selective based on whether you like the fighter or not.

- - Drug testing for athletes is much like alcohol testing for drivers, ie my ol' man drank a fifth of scotch every day for most of his life and never even had a fenderbender.

I resent the misapplication of drug testing because I have higher naturally produced testa levels than the average modern male whose testa levels have been dropping in the modern age. Would that be YOU?

Artur is WBC champ under VADA rules which is quite a bit more drug testing than all the major pro sports engage in. I have a lot of issues with VADA being a creating of BALCO Vic and Margeret Goodman who's integrity is dubious, but at least they established some standards.

Boxing in the US in decline because of not only dropping testa levels of males, but because majority of boxing fans, promoters, and fighters are so ****** that if they were handling a firearm they'd be shooting themselves in the foot every fight.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Man, it is not that it isn't true, but the bigger countries are the biggest cheaters, it's not like the US athletes are any better. There is no point in going into that narrative.

Since it's atypical it could be something related to the body or supplements, who knows... Nowadays you can never be sure.

Yeah, HGH and testosterone are also associated with workouts, and Beterbiev basically lives in the gym too. I'm not trying to say anything in particular about Beterbiev right now, just that the Russians have a long history of state supported doping for their athletes. Often the athletes don't even really know, because the coaches give it to them. It's absolutely not the same on every big country. There's a big difference between individual cases and state sponsorship, no matter what it is.