So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[ShoulderRoll]

And that means entirely zilch in regards to whether he's likely clean or not.

Conor Benn has completed a VADA test since his failed one and is doing so again for his Feb fight. Are you going to deem Conor Benn likely clean?

You see the problem here, don't you?

It's one rule for one and not for all the others with your ****** backwards logic.

Great, so that will be two instances of VADA testing for Conor Benn since he came up dirty. Meaning he has a way to go to catch up to Canelo.

And Benn STILL hasn’t settled his business with the BBBoC by the way, the appeal is still pending. Making his situation different from Canelo who faced the music with NSAC, served his punishment, and was licensed to return to fighting.

[IronDanHamza]

Great, so that will be two instances of VADA testing for Conor Benn since he came up dirty. Meaning he has a way to go to catch up to Canelo.

And Benn STILL hasn’t settled his business with the BBBoC by the way, the appeal is still pending. Making his situation different from Canelo who faced the music with NSAC, served his punishment, and was licensed to return to fighting.

Ok so if Benn continues to do VADA testing and passes them all you will deem him likely clean?

Benn has done his part, he has no control over the appeal.

[ShoulderRoll]

You just can’t admit they aren’t comparable can you? I should’ve expected these responses coming from you.

You’re the one who can’t get it through your head that the comparison is that both were tested 24/7/365 by VADA. Which is a fact, not a matter of your opinion.

If you want to argue that Nonito had more pure motives for doing so or that he is a better person or whatever is totally irrelevant and a separate comparison. And not one that I am making.

[_Rexy_]

Yeah, I think he has been clean since he popped for clenbuterol because he has tested with VADA in pretty much every fight since.

And there was never anything testosterone or HGH related with him.

Clen is still a fantastic PED, I've used it. Not many things can cut body fat while not only maintaining, but also giving the ability to add muscle like Clen does.

It's like an ECA stack without the risk of muscle catabolism.

[eco1]

I'm not listening to the video but is he just trying to make something out of nothing? He didn't fail a test, right? Testosterone levels being high is also a natural result of working out. Hgh levels are apparently within the bounds of acceptable levels.

so what?

Working out a lot, eating berries, eating meat, zinc in the body, Vitamin D and or exposure to the sun.

I am not going to keep on writing about it but man, sometimes Eddie is so ******.

[ShoulderRoll]

Yes I'd imagine it's a lot more, not sure what's funny about that? I don't know the numbers on it, but elevated test levels are not that overly uncommon whereas Rabdo is uncommon.

What matters is they are both reasons for su****ion of PED use. Realistically with Ortiz' probably being more su****ious if we had to guess.

You deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite. Which is ****** and ignorant.





Ok and it states; "Adonis Stevenson, Lucian Bute, Eleider Alvarez and Artur Beterbiev will now participate in a serious new protocol in which they may be blood and/or urine tested anytime, 365 days per year. They must be available at all times for an unexpected test."

Everything you just said about Canelo is also the case for Beterbiev and on top of that Beterbiev has never failed a drug test.

But to you, the one who failed multiple drug tests is "likely clean" and the one who has never failed a drug test is "very suspect."

How could you possibly hold that opinion?

You don’t have the numbers on it but expect us to just take your word for it. Of the 26,000 that get rhabdo in the US every year what percentage do you think are due to PEDs? And what percentage of atypically elevated test and HGH levels in 39 year olds are due to PEDs? There’s room for more su****ion there in one than the other in my opinion.

It is known that the WBC Clean Boxing Program uses VADA and that fighters are supposed make themselves available all year. But it is also known that in practice the funding for this is limited and only a certain number of tests get paid for each year. That is not the same as the 24/7/365 VADA that Nonito and Canelo did.

[_Rexy_]

You don’t have the numbers on it but expect us to just take your word for it. Of the 26,000 that get rhabdo in the US every year what percentage do you think are due to PEDs? And what percentage of atypically elevated test and HGH levels in 39 year olds are due to PEDs? There’s room for more su****ion there in one than the other in my opinion.

It is known that the WBC Clean Boxing Program uses VADA and that fighters are supposed make themselves available all year. But it is also known that in practice the funding for this is limited and only a certain number of tests get paid for each year. That is not the same as the 24/7/365 VADA that Nonito and Canelo did.

You can get Rabdo in more than one way. The fact that Virgil has had repeated bouts of Rabdo since he was 22-23 years of age is what makes it more likely to be PED's. Him having Sickle Cell Anemia, Diabetes and HIV seem to have been ruled out.

While you can naturally increase both test and hgh temporarily with fasting.

[ShoulderRoll]

You can get Rabdo in more than one way. The fact that Virgil has had repeated bouts of Rabdo since he was 22-23 years of age is what makes it more likely to be PED's. Him having Sickle Cell Anemia, Diabetes and HIV seem to have been ruled out.

While you can naturally increase both test and hgh temporarily with fasting.

There are 26,000 cases of rhabdo in the US every year. What percentage of those would you estimate are due to PEDs?

[_Rexy_]

There are 26,000 cases of rhabdo in the US every year. What percentage of those would you estimate are due to PEDs?

How many of them have gotten it repeatedly in their early 20's?

We can play "Guess Who?" here

[IronDanHamza]

You don’t have the numbers on it but expect us to just take your word for it. Of the 26,000 that get rhabdo in the US every year what percentage do you think are due to PEDs? And what percentage of atypically elevated test and HGH levels in 39 year olds are due to PEDs? There’s room for more su****ion there in one than the other in my opinion.

Well, as we all know your opinion on this topic is as good as useless.

Vergil Ortiz has a rare condition that is linked to PED use and is on the verge of kidney failure in his 20's. it's not necessarily because of PED use but it is a reason to suspect possible PED use

Beterbiev has elevated levels of Test and GH, it's not necessarily because of PED use but it is a reason to suspect possible PED use.

They are two branches of the same tree. Both are reasons for su****ion. To deem one "very suspect" and the other the opposite is nothing more than ******, and ignorant. It's just that simple, again, running theme.

It is known that the WBC Clean Boxing Program uses VADA and that fighters are supposed make themselves available all year. But it is also known that in practice the funding for this is limited and only a certain number of tests get paid for each year. That is not the same as the 24/7/365 VADA that Nonito and Canelo did.

So you're saying that VADA's testing is flawed as the funding is limited? And out of curiosity, what exactly is this different VADA program Donaire and Canelo were involved with? And how does it differ to the 365 testing that Beterbiev was under?

So, what is your position here then, that someone that does VADA testing is not likely clean?