So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[IronDanHamza]

Because if it was, it would have been called a failed test instead of not adverse (aka not unfavourable) findings.

Oh I got you. You mean it wasn't above the 4:1 ratio that's deemed prohibited.

Fair enough, I misunderstood.

[Marchegiano]

As long as dude has not ****ed up his career I do not give a ****.

[Teetotaler69]

These guys have been cheating the sport we love for years. Where’s the integrity?

"These guys" lmfao shut up. African American fighters are the biggest ped cheats in boxing.

[_Rexy_]

So elevated testosterone is fine...

Trace levels of PEDs aren't.

How elevated would the natural elements need to be, and how low would the trace elements need to be before you'd be more concerned by the former than the latter? It is the answer 'never'. I'm convinced that's not right.

And of course why trust the scientists when they say the elevated levels are above the threshold but are just 'atypical', compared to the same scientists saying that trace levels are insignificant and consistent with an isolated contamination event?

It feels selective based on whether you like the fighter or not.

How is that selective? Trace amounts of PED is still PED’s which are always illegal

[IronDanHamza]

So elevated testosterone is fine...

Trace levels of PEDs aren't.

How elevated would the natural elements need to be, and how low would the trace elements need to be before you'd be more concerned by the former than the latter? It is the answer 'never'. I'm convinced that's not right.

And of course why trust the scientists when they say the elevated levels are above the threshold but are just 'atypical', compared to the same scientists saying that trace levels are insignificant and consistent with an isolated contamination event?

It feels selective based on whether you like the fighter or not.

If it's under 4:1 ratio then yes.

These kind of atypical readings are not against the rules. The reason they flag is because it's a potential side effect of PED use so when it flags they then from there look at the fighter more closely.

Nothing from Beterbiev's findings here are prohibited so it can't be compared to trace levels of PEDs for example because that means the fighter had PED's in their system which is prohibited.

Testosterone is something we have in our body already and unless it's above the threshold (meaning that it was taken synthetically) then it's above board, just something to keep an eye on.

It can't be compared to a Dillian Whyte for example, who's been caught multiple times with PED's in his system.

[N/A]

Yeah, HGH and testosterone are also associated with workouts, and Beterbiev basically lives in the gym too. I'm not trying to say anything in particular about Beterbiev right now, just that the Russians have a long history of state supported doping for their athletes. Often the athletes don't even really know, because the coaches give it to them. It's absolutely not the same on every big country. There's a big difference between individual cases and state sponsorship, no matter what it is.

Giving PEDs to athletes without their knowledge is a very old practice, true. While Russians have one type of practice with PEDs abuse, I can't point at them as the only example of top cheating when I see the US cases. Maybe the latter do it more delicately, but when it comes to top athletes, it is always state-supported, regardless of the country. All the good athletes are on PEDs - I know this is a bold claim, but who believes in clean and fair sports nowadays?

With Arthur's case in particular, I don't exclude the possibility of him taking some drugs, but combining HGH and testosterone is hardcore and reckless. On the other hand, he is 39 - a bit old for an athlete already and not with the same levels of both as he used to be just a few years back, or at least he is supposed to be. Even though this isn't an exact science, so man could naturally keep higher levels for a certain age, just as they can go lower. You can't judge one in such a case.

[Pac=Duran]

It’s true, a lot of American sprinters have been busted.

But never has the entire US Olympic team been banned from the Olympics.

We’re splitting hairs here. Doesn’t matter if the Ruskies are worse, the fact is that steroids in boxing is absolutely endemic. All American and Russian fighters are at it

[jaded]

Oh I got you. You mean it wasn't above the 4:1 ratio that's deemed prohibited.

Fair enough, I misunderstood.

Exactly what they saw that triggered an analysis of the samples for PEDs is unknown. All we know is that when they did the analysis, nothing illegal was found. He was cleared, and VADA has been trusted to do the testing, and after doing so they found nothing wrong.

[paulf]

He was at Lamont Peterson's health spa.

[crimsonfalcon07]

We’re splitting hairs here. Doesn’t matter if the Ruskies are worse, the fact is that steroids in boxing is absolutely endemic. All American and Russian fighters are at it

No, we absolutely aren't splitting hairs. Some is not the same as all. The facts are that the Russians were found to be doping to the point that even the burden of proof for the corrupt IOC was met. The facts are that no other country in history has done that.

I don't doubt that there are a lot of athletes who have doped at least once. But you're making an unsubstantiated (and in fact demonstrably false on the evidence) assertion to jump from that SOME to the ALL. That's a textbook logical fallacy.

You're also committing a textbook fallacy trying to pretend to minimize the argument, then backing up your counter with a false assertion. I believe that many boxers use PEDs to some extent, but the burden of proof for ALL is high to the point that if there's even ONE that is not on PEDS your argument is literally and factually untrue. Such as Nonito Donaire.

For that matter, based on the evidence here, I really doubt that Beterbiev is doping.

But that doesn't make it untrue that the Russians have taken doping to another level.