So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[MulaKO]

His December 6th test was atypical, but not beyond the threshold, additional tests on December 15 and 21 and January 3rd, all coming in normal, and he was cleared. I don't even know why this is even being debated? People love controversy.

Getting ready for excuses comes to mind
Watch when Beterbiev ko’s Smith , the board will show high levels of ******ity only to be tested three days later and then forgotten
One test showing high levels then nada in the next three tests

[IronDanHamza]

Oh man! You used trenbolone? That stuff scares the bejesus out of me. Take care of yourself bro. I'm sure you know what you're doing, but there's been a lot of deaths lately.

I’ve used every single PED there is mate

I’m old, I just cruise on TRT year round now.

[IronDanHamza]

Well firstly you might want to look up the word semantics as you’ve used it incorrectly there.

Secondly, we have established your position. I don’t know why you keep repeating it as I haven’t asked you to. Now I am challenging it and you’re refusing to answer simple questions for some reason.

It’s really not never ending at all. You just need to answer the questions. But instead you avoid them.

That’s an automatic L in any conversation. You said that yourself in the Canelo-Bivol threads to other posters You see, your words come back to bite you when you are dishonest I’m afraid.

So we’ll try again shall we, see how you do;


Do you have to do the same 365 testing Canelo did to be deemed likely clean? Yes or no will suffice.

9 fights under VADA testing is not enough to deem someone likely clean? Yes or no will suffice.

Floyd did fight by fight USADA testing. Is that enough to deem someone likely clean? Yes or no will suffice.





[QUOTE=ShoulderRoll;n32133749] Go ahead and look into how many 25 year olds get rhabdo multiple times. It’s a condition that you are more likely to experience again anyway once you’ve had it once. But then compare that to atypical testosterone and HGH levels…if one is statistically more frequent than the other then you have more suspect vs less suspect. Simple logic. [\QUOTE]

Rhabdo in general is rare. And it is linked with PED use. That’s just the facts of the matter. Let alone the age. That alone gives reason for su****ion.

And if you are going to dismiss that on the grounds that it can happen without PEDs then you HAVE to do the same for Beterbiev. You can’t have it both ways. It’s one or the other so you’re going to have to pick one.

Why would USADA give a retroactive TUE if they considered what Floyd did to be illegal and if they didn’t approve it? Are you saying that USADA is corrupt and not trustworthy? You realize Floyd and boxing were small potatoes in their big picture, right? Why would they risk their reputation for him?

That’s for USADA to answer. I’m assuming they gave him the TUE due to his reasons he gave as to why he took them.

None of that changes the fact that what he took was prohibited at the time he took it and that it’s su****ious.

[IronDanHamza]

His December 6th test was atypical, but not beyond the threshold, additional tests on December 15 and 21 and January 3rd, all coming in normal, and he was cleared. I don't even know why this is even being debated? People love controversy.

How do you know it’s not beyond the threshold? Did they release the data?

[jaded]

How do you know it’s not beyond the threshold? Did they release the data?

Because if it was, it would have been called a failed test instead of not adverse (aka not unfavourable) findings.

[Roadblock]

By caught, I mean he was found in his home using an IV that was prohibited. By who specifically? I don't know. But we do know it happened which is acknowledged by all parties.

By illegal, I mean the particular IV he was using was prohibited.

The authorities didn't deem it legal, they gave him an exemption 3 weeks later for doing something that was prohibited for the reasons he gave as to why he needed said prohibited IV.

It's very cut and dry stuff.

I don't think its cut and dry when you don't know how this CAUGHT scenario went down, Im sure athletes of this calibre don't go down to the local doctors or hospital to get this kind of treatment, Im sure they would have doctors on call at their own premises, if you dont know the details of whom and how things happened its you assuming caught, how do you know if they notified the so-called catchers, just seems to me a lot of assumptions are being made.

A TUE is not illegal, taking IV fluids is not illegal it has stipulations, this is from USADA.

In emergency circumstances, IVs may also be given by paramedical staff or physicians on the field of play, but an emergency TUE application is required as soon as reasonably possible after treatment has been received.


Mayweather used the IV drip in front of USADA doping control officers (DCOs), who had called at his house on 1 May. A paramedic was called due to Mayweather’s physical condition (It is understood that he was dehydrated), and the DCOs were told that he would need the IV drip. Partial urine samples were apparently provided before and after the IV drip was administered.



the USADA DCO was in the home and observed Mr. Mayweather’s condition that precipitated the need for an IV. The DCO was also in the home when the paramedic was called and remained in the home while the paramedic provided the IV. At no point during the infusion did Mr. Mayweather attempt to hide anything regarding the treatment he was receiving.

Mr. Mayweather’s use of the IV was not prohibited under the NSAC rules at that time and would not be a violation of the NSAC rules today. In fact, it is a common practice among athletes licensed to fight in Nevada. As such, it is illogical to suggest that Mr. Mayweather had an obligation to apply to NSAC for a TUE for a procedure that is not prohibited or otherwise monitored by them. Nonetheless, because Mr. Mayweather was voluntarily taking part in a USADA program, and therefore subject to the rules of the World Anti-Doping Code, he took the additional step of applying for a TUE after the IV infusion was administered in order to remain in compliance with the USADA program.

Furthermore, the prompt reporting of the TUE after its approval was in accordance with the terms of the testing agreement that was signed by both athletes. The NSAC was provided with the testing agreement and expressly advised of the procedure USADA would utilize to review, approve and report TUEs via email on April 6, 2015. In accordance with the agreement both Mr. Pacquiao and the NSAC were notified of the IV in May as soon as a TUE was approved.

https://www.usada.org/statement/usada-response-to-inaccuracies-misleading-information-professional-boxing-article/

[deathofaclown]

No. Canelo was found to have clenbuterol in his system. That isn’t “likely clean”…that is confirmed PEDs in his body.

But since then that time (because of how much VADA testing he has done) I do think he is likely clean.

The thing is Canelo only got caught when VADA decided to cross the border to Mexico for the first time to test him, so he only basically got caught when he wasn't expecting the timing of the test or for them to go to Mexico

So the chances are thar he was dirty long before that but knew how to cycle it because they weren't going to Mexico.

Is he clean now? Possibly if he's too scared to get caught. Or there's every chance he's using the top PED doctors that will openly say they're ahead of the testing. He's got the money for it.

[deathofaclown]

How do you know it’s not beyond the threshold? Did they release the data?

They didn't release data

I think it would be good if they actually gave scientific explanation of why someome may have elevated levels but not enough to fail the test.

can it be natural? or can it mean you were using PED's and cycling them out of your system and so the test picked them up before they're out of your system properly but not enough to break the threshold, therefore they can't be 100% certain that it's natural?

Until people get a proper explanation, it seems like a quite su****ious grey area.

[hhh1200]

I'm good with the VADA findings. When Beterbiev is done with that British Lame Smith, I advise him to take off the gloves and go after that dork Hearn in the ringside seats. In fairness, I advise Hearn to have his bodybuilding heavyweight ******* for protection.

LOL, what's funny is, Whyte said AJ had a the****utic exemption for testosterone years ago!

Is Hearn the dosser Fury speaks about?

As the BS Turns in the United Kingdom...

[Calibone1]

So it wasn't illegal levels, he's just more man that the other guy.
Or, on the other hand he should fight Canelo, no PEd's barred in the summer and they should call it the US Dopin'.