So Beterbiev tested for high levels of HGH and testosterone

[Toffee]

If it's under 4:1 ratio then yes.

These kind of atypical readings are not against the rules. The reason they flag is because it's a potential side effect of PED use so when it flags they then from there look at the fighter more closely.

Nothing from Beterbiev's findings here are prohibited so it can't be compared to trace levels of PEDs for example because that means the fighter had PED's in their system which is prohibited.

Testosterone is something we have in our body already and unless it's above the threshold (meaning that it was taken synthetically) then it's above board, just something to keep an eye on.

It can't be compared to a Dillian Whyte for example, who's been caught multiple times with PED's in his system.

My point is you either trust the processes or you don't.

AB has something in his test that is unusual. DW (talking Rivas fight here) had something that was considered to be an anomaly by the authorities.

Both fights were allowed to go on. Neither fighter's tests resulted in a charge.

People on here are drawing their own boundaries. AB is fine because Testosterone is produced naturally whereas DW's substance wasn't. But of course you can take things to elevate testosterone. It might be suggestive of another issue - that's why it's been flagged.

Both are officially clear. But one is termed a cheat on these forums. Coincidentally it's the fighter who is pretty roundly disliked, especially for his promoter associations.

They're all pushing the boundaries. Of course they are. That boundary is drawn by the authorities and regularly redrawn. Some push it beyond the legal limit and get banned. That wasn't the case in either of these instances. The authorities were fine with both.

[Bullrider]

These testing agencies are selective in their findings. Positive results come out only days before the fight in particular fights, while in some they come out only after the fight is over.

[MulaKO]

These testing agencies are selective in their findings. Positive results come out only days before the fight in particular fights, while in some they come out only after the fight is over.

Only supposed to be public when they test positive is my understanding
Ramsey , Beterbiev’s trainer , just made a statement making it very clear that Slow Eddie leaked it to try and to get an advantage , mind games wtv

[eco1]

" I think only 34 people are watching the fight, go do something so we can hit the news hard"

and they know Artur is always focused so, ... LOL. Eddie games.

[Cypocryphy]

This sort of touches on what I was wondering about the VADA testing protocols.

Testosterone levels are usually assessed within a "normal range". This can vary slightly depending on the lab used etc.

However the pint of testing athletes is to determine if they are using any banned substances.

Testosterone levels can be within "normal ranges" even when the athlete is using PEDs.

I thought that VADAs use of carbon isotope was supposed to determine if exogenous testosterone had been utilised IRRESPECTIVE of "levels"?

Apologies for my ignorance if I'm misinformed on any of this.

Thanks.

I wish I knew. I'm not qualified to answer this question. Maybe someone on these forums has more knowledge on this subject. However, I assume that VADA is capable of testing the isotopic ratios because, as far as I know, that is how one can tell whether it is an endogenous steroid or exogenous steroid. Plant based steroids (synthetic steroids) will have lower isotopic ratios compared to those that occur naturally. So this is a method used to determine whether the an athlete simply has high levels or is using synthetic testosterone.

Here's how they would go about making this determination:

First, you will use gas chromatography to separate several metabolites of testosterone from the athletes' urine, as well as other endogenous steroids that can be used as reference standards. Having been produced from the same dietary sources, these steroids should all have similar isotopic ratios. Next, you will combust the steroids to form CO₂, which you will analyze with a mass spectrometer. From the values for peaks 44 (¹²C¹⁶O₂) and 45 (¹³C¹⁶O₂) that the mass spectrometer outputs, you can calculate the ¹³C/¹²C ratios. This will allow you to compare the ¹³C/¹²C ratios of testosterone metabolites to those of the other reference steroids. If the athlete's testosterone has much lower levels of ¹³C than his reference steroids, it can be assumed that some of his testosterone was synthesized in a lab from soy or yam plants

But again, I'm not qualified to really answer this question, so maybe someone else could provide a better answer.

[IronDanHamza]

My point is you either trust the processes or you don't.

AB has something in his test that is unusual. DW (talking Rivas fight here) had something that was considered to be an anomaly by the authorities.

Both fights were allowed to go on. Neither fighter's tests resulted in a charge.

People on here are drawing their own boundaries. AB is fine because Testosterone is produced naturally whereas DW's substance wasn't. But of course you can take things to elevate testosterone. It might be suggestive of another issue - that's why it's been flagged.

Both are officially clear. But one is termed a cheat on these forums. Coincidentally it's the fighter who is pretty roundly disliked, especially for his promoter associations.

They're all pushing the boundaries. Of course they are. That boundary is drawn by the authorities and regularly redrawn. Some push it beyond the legal limit and get banned. That wasn't the case in either of these instances. The authorities were fine with both.

I get you.

I'm actually not familiar with Dillian Whyte's case and the contents of what happened there. I actually assumed he recieved a ban for that and had forgotten that he faced no punishment.

So in fairness yes you have a point here.

[QueensburyRules]

I wish I knew. I'm not qualified to answer this question. Maybe someone on these forums has more knowledge on this subject. However, I assume that VADA is capable of testing the isotopic ratios because, as far as I know, that is how one can tell whether it is an endogenous steroid or exogenous steroid. Plant based steroids (synthetic steroids) will have lower isotopic ratios compared to those that occur naturally. So this is a method used to determine whether the an athlete simply has high levels or is using synthetic testosterone.

Here's how they would go about making this determination:



But again, I'm not qualified to really answer this question, so maybe someone else could provide a better answer.

- - There is no better answer on a forum dominated infantile arrested developmental low testa males needing testa boosts just to post here.

VADA as feeble as it is is hugely better than MLB NFL NBA NHL by a long shot.

[Bullrider]

Only supposed to be public when they test positive is my understanding
Ramsey , Beterbiev’s trainer , just made a statement making it very clear that Slow Eddie leaked it to try and to get an advantage , mind games wtv

Trust me, promoters would be the last to leak such horrible news, especially only days leading to the fight. They'd rather not be informed by it, turn a blind eye. World would go crashing down with the news of the fight getting canceled. Too much money and time have already been invested.

[Cypocryphy]

- - There is no better answer on a forum dominated infantile arrested developmental low testa males needing testa boosts just to post here.

VADA as feeble as it is is hugely better than MLB NFL NBA NHL by a long shot.

So true!

[MulaKO]

Trust me, promoters would be the last to leak such horrible news, especially only days leading to the fight. They'd rather not be informed by it, turn a blind eye. World would go crashing down with the news of the fight getting canceled. Too much money and time have already been invested.

Not in this case since it’s not his client
Plus , he gonna need to use it as an excuse when his fighter gets ktfo
It’s actually been made very clear that Hearn is the one who threatened to make it public
Then magically the news broke by Kevin Iole damn sure someone fed him this scoop
Slow Eddie would be the promoter who leaked it
Not bright to actually threaten them and then boom , there it is