Comments Thread For: Ryan Garcia, Terence Crawford Call for 'Reimagining' Boxing After News of Showtime Exit

[TMLT87]

So what’s your point? Boxers make more money than MMA fighters and their events are bigger than any MMA event.

Not really. Boxing is doing better this year with its biggest fights, but the biggest PPVs post Floyd/Pac are almost all Conor fights.The UFC is also much more consistent with its ability to draw attention than boxing. They have an at least semi-big needle mover PPV event typically once a month.

[rickJen]

It's true. Those figures were not even kept secret. They're out in the open and published casually. Spence, for example, made $300K, and Algieri made $500K in their fight, which was pegged as Earl's first step up fight. Spence again made $300K in the Bundu fight. He made his first $1 mil only when he fought Brook in the UK. And it's not even $1 mil, it's $900K.

Danny Garcia made $700K in the Rod Salka fight, as another example. Leo Santa Cruz made $725K for fighting a sparring partner. Such figures were huge at that time. And those were all published and out in the open.

Crawford is probably the first fighter who made $1+ mil for each and every cab driver he fought long before everyone else had their first taste of $1 million.

Based on those figures I don't know where PBC fans are getting this "PBC pays way more than Top Rank" narrative from.

[rickJen]

The difference between Top Rank and PBC is that
PBC pays way more than Top Rank.

There you go.

[Eff Pandas]

There is nothing to reimagine. Too many greedy promoters who won't allow big fights to happen, corrupt sanctioning bodies that allow some fighters who hold titles hostage while pressuring others to defend them against mandatories, and fighters who want to preserve their zero in the loss column rather than fight the best.

Disagree. Boxing doesn't need promoters like the promoters we mostly have. They have far too much power. Boxers should outsource promotion with a flat fee like Haymon fighters largely do or do short term deals like Devin & Mr Alvarez do. And boxing doesn't need belt groups like the belt groups we mostly have. Boxing's power brokers can put their trust in a 3rd party like Ring or TBRB or some new group & decide they are the only belt group that matters. Boxing playing the game promoters & belt groups are playing is one of the things I'd argue that needs to be reimagined. The selling of boxing Ryan & Bud are talking about gets fixed sooner when a lot of the bs of boxing with promoters & belt groups both with too much power in the game are out of boxing or have some of that power taken away.

Obviously easier said than done, but there is a lot of writing on the wall right now with fighters trying to take more power in their own actions & doing short term promoter deals & giving less fooks about belts than ever. Things rarely change overnight tho, but I see slow change as we speak.

[Raggamuffin]

Not really. Boxing is doing better this year with its biggest fights, but the biggest PPVs post Floyd/Pac are almost all Conor fights.The UFC is also much more consistent with its ability to draw attention than boxing. They have an at least semi-big needle mover PPV event typically once a month.

The numbers don’t lie lmao.

[Raggamuffin]

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You’ve stated why fighters have left Top Rank. We all know the facts. So now when it’s stated that SHO is dropped boxing, are you saying that the PBC didn’t have anything to do with that? Foh. They’ve overpaid their fighters and SHO was sick of not seeing big fights. ESPN has made the bigger more anticipated fights. SHO without Floyd has been trash and you know it. It took Spence years to finally come around to make a super ****en fight. Tank hasn’t fought anyone and I really can’t name anyone else outside of Wilder who has fought in a big PPC fight. People got tired of the PBC WW fights facade. SHO didn’t get the investment back that they made with the PBC and Haymon. The writing was on the wall.

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I NEVER said PBC had nothing to do with the demise of Showtime.
Let’s go further than your point, Showtime produces plenty of shows that cost serious money. They are investing the money they make. Same thing as Netflix, HBO and all the others.
Showtime just don’t want to pay boxers money they deserve. It’s the same “greed” boxers have.

They weren’t making the money that SHO wanted on the back end. SHO saw it as a waste and said goodbye to boxing. That’s the bottom line.

[messi807]

Arum lost tons of money on Crawford. He was the first TR fighter who got paid $1-2 mil for fighting cab drivers long before Loma got his. Even long before PBC guys like Thurman, Porter, Broner, etc. got their first $1 mil.

That’s his own fault.

[TMLT87]

The numbers don’t lie lmao.

Yeah...and the numbers say almost all of the 10 biggest fights since Floyd/Pac involve Conor, that includes the biggest boxing match to happen during that time period.

The numbers also say that the UFC is the biggest combat sports promotion on the planet by a lot.

[factsarenice]

A big company wants to make MONEY. No money on boxing no more. Thank the Divas of boxing.

Not true, Divas go straight to PPV, they are the lowest risk highest reward for the network. Actually boxing is profitable but when Paramount purchased Showtime they created two tons of debt. The network wants to keep the big money makers like Yellow Stone and move to cheaply made genres like reality TV and docudramas.

[tomhawq]

It's true. Those figures were not even kept secret. They're out in the open and published casually. Spence, for example, made $300K, and Algieri made $500K in their fight, which was pegged as Earl's first step up fight. Spence again made $300K in the Bundu fight. He made his first $1 mil only when he fought Brook in the UK. And it's not even $1 mil, it's $900K.

Danny Garcia made $700K in the Rod Salka fight, as another example. Leo Santa Cruz made $725K for fighting a sparring partner. Such figures were huge at that time. And those were all published and out in the open.

Crawford is probably the first fighter who made $1+ mil for each and every cab driver he fought long before everyone else had their first taste of $1 million.

Bud Crawford was not the first. It was Andre Berto. But, anyways, it's not far-fetched HBO was willing to spend that kind of money on "potential." In the end HBO have had enough of it and demanded better fights for TC. Bob Arum went berserk and said on video that HBO don't have any right to match-make for them. Arum left HBO. HBO left boxing.