Casual Fans overlooking Fury's mastery of his Era?

[kafkod]

Or Tunney, or Marciano, right? Study.

Tunney and Marciano are dead. And not even a guy as pedantic as you would go so far as to claim that Gene will be the lineal heavyweight champion till the end of eternity, because the Grim Reaper didn't cut him down in the ring.

[kafkod]

Joshua and Parker have collectively lost to Joyce, Whyte, Joshua, Ruiz, Usyk twice - 6 losses.

That's 6 of this era's top 10 HWs you named there, and Fury has beaten only one of them.

And you call that "mastery of his era"?

Go and give your head a wobble, mate.

[Stuntman Mike]

Fury could've done a lot better, tending the flock and collecting hardware. That long medical sabbatical didn't help in the early phase of his reign, but it certainly may have saved his life, so the good folks will cut him slack there. Even now, however, he's big on issuing challenges and making other provocative statements designed to rile people up, and the fans have grown pretty tired of the show, and just want him to fight, and preferably, fight the best!

But looking back carefully at the Tyson Fury era of Heavyweight history, we can see that he hasn't done as badly as all that, with 10 fights against the 50 best of the era (based on a pretty good list of the 50 best).

What are your thoughts about how he's been doing?


This Generation 2015-2025 - Heavyweights

2013 - 2023

1. Tyson Fury
2. Deontay Wilder
2. Deontay Wilder
2. Deontay Wilder
3. Oleksandr Usyk
4. Anthony Joshua
5. Wladimir Klitschko
6. Zhilei Zhang
7. Andy Ruiz Jr
8. Luis Ortiz
9. Alexander Povetkin
10.Dillian Whyte
11.Joe Joyce
12.Daniel Dubois
13.Filip Hrgovic
14.Jarrell Miller
15.Joseph Parker
16.Kubrat Pulev
17.Otto Wallin
18.Frank Sanchez
19.Robert Helenius
20.Derek Chisora
20.Derek Chisora
20.Derek Chisora
21. Arslanbek Makhmudov
22.Charles Martin
23.Carlos Takam
24.Martin Bakole
25.Jared Anderson
26.Tomasz Adamek
27.Chris Arreola
28.Tony Thompson
29.Bermane Stiverne
30.Michael Hunter
31.Tony Yoka
32.Johann Duhaupas
33.Bakhodir Jalolov
34.Efe Ajagba
35.Daniel Dubois
36.David Haye
37.Bryant Jennings
38.Agit Kabayel
39.Gerald Washington
40.Murat Gassiev
41.Jermaine Franklin
42.Shannon Briggs
43.Dominic Breazeale
44.Adam Kownacki
45.Ruslan Chagaev
46.Fabio Wardley
47.Christian Hammer
48.Alexander Dimetrienko
49.Aleksandr Ustinov
50.Hugie Fury


The bullpen:

Simon Kean , Zhan Kossobutskiy, Ivan Dychko, Mariuz Wach, Richard Torrez Jr., Stephen Shaw, Mairis Briedis, Ali Erin Demirezen, Oscar Rivas, Vladyslav Sirenko, David Price, Artur Szpilka, Eric Molina, Lucas Browne, Jerry Forrest, Francisco Pianeta, Lenier Pero, Jonathan Rice, Tom Schwarz, Travis Kaufman, Alex Leapai, Vyacheslav Glazkov, Demsey McKean, Kevin Lerena, Jerry Forrest, Rostislav Plechko, Izuagbe Ugonoh, Amir Mansour, Justice Huni, David Allen, Erkan Teper, Eddie Chambers, Sergey Kuzmin, Malik Scott, Edmund Gerber, Trevor Bryan, Nathan Gorman, Evgeny Romanov, Johnathan Guidry, Razvan Cojanu, Agron Smakici, Viktor Vykhryst, Jose Larduet, Bogdan Dinu, Andrey Fedosov, Attila Levin, David Adeleye, Michael Wallisch, Oleksandr Zakhozhyi, Frazier Clarke, Kingpin Johnson, Joe Cusumano, Mahoud "Manuel" Charr, Michael Polite Coffie, Audley Harrison, Kem Ljungquist, Dillon Carman, Junior Fa, Albert Sosnowski, Fres Oquendo, Mike Balogun, Andrii Rudenko, Marcin Siwy, Deontae Pettigrew, Derric Rossy, Mike Perez, Tre Lippe, Sam ***ton, Odlanier Solis, Joey Dawejko, Solomon Haumono, Przemyslaw Saleta, Kertson Manswell, Joe Hanks, Gurgen Hovhannisyan, Joey Abell, Hemi Ahio, Alexis Santos, Ebenezer Tetteh, Tor Hamer, Agron Smakici, Raphael Akpejiori, Joseph Goodall, Chazz Witherspoon, Darmani Rock, Joshua Tufte, Kelvin Price, Apti Davtaev, Miljan Rovcanin, George Arias, Seth Mitchell, Gary Cornish, Lenroy Thomas, Cassius Chaney, Bronco Billy Wright, James McKenzie Morrison, Kash Ali, Fred Kassi, Peter Kadiru, Adrian Granat, Sonny Conto, Franz Rill, Daniel Martz, Leif Larsen

You can't count fighting the same guy over and over again after you beat them as historically beneficial to his record

That's like if aj sparked povetkin 3 times ,it's just stalling and a roadblock for other potential fights of top 10 guys

Realistically going by your list he's fought 6 guys in the top 50 in 10 years

It's not good

He fought wladimir,wilder and id give him the first chisora fight as decent fights

The rest were shop worn or had already being kod multiple times (whyte,chisora) when there was plenty oppertunity to catch them fresher (whyte)

It's a shame because Fury could have been in some cracking fights

[Willow The Wisp]

Tunney and Marciano are dead. And not even a guy as pedantic as you would go so far as to claim that Gene will be the lineal heavyweight champion till the end of eternity, because the Grim Reaper didn't cut him down in the ring.

Acknowledging history is hardly Pedantic.
I know it's beating a dead horse though.

[Willow The Wisp]

That's 6 of this era's top 10 HWs you named there, and Fury has beaten only one of them.

And you call that "mastery of his era"?

Go and give your head a wobble, mate.

All top heavyweights, yup. Most having lost to another.
except for the newer ones, and Fury and Usyk.....coming up soon to settle it.

[Willow The Wisp]

You can't count fighting the same guy over and over again after you beat them as historically beneficial to his record

That's like if aj sparked povetkin 3 times ,it's just stalling and a roadblock for other potential fights of top 10 guys

Realistically going by your list he's fought 6 guys in the top 50 in 10 years

It's not good

He fought wladimir,wilder and id give him the first chisora fight as decent fights

The rest were shop worn or had already being kod multiple times (whyte,chisora) when there was plenty oppertunity to catch them fresher (whyte)

It's a shame because Fury could have been in some cracking fights

I don't disagree as a whole, and a lot of Fury’s "Era Dominance" has to do with Joshua going on a losing spree. In his defense, Whyte was ranked, revenged Povetkin and in the estimation of many, was going to expose Fury, and Chisora, admittedly an unnecessary fight, was coming off a mild upset over Pulev, one of his best career wins. The Wilder trilogy was epic, started with a draw and ended with Fury being dumped multiple times.

Not a huge Fury guy myself, but I chose to off some balance against all the fan frustration.

[kafkod]

Acknowledging history is hardly Pedantic.
I know it's beating a dead horse though.

You are not acknowledging history, you are ignoring history and trying to impose your own pedantic opinions in its place.

There was no historical precedent or justification for Wlad Klitschko being recognised as lineal champ when he never beat a lineal champion in the ring and was never the undisputed champ.

There was no historical precedent or justification for Tyson Fury still being the lineal champion after he announced his retirement, relinquished all his championship belts and handed in his boxing licence.

And there was no historical precedent or justification for Fury, when he came back without any title belts, fighting unranked bums like Seferi and Pianetta in "lineal title defences"

[kafkod]

All top heavyweights, yup. Most having lost to another.
except for the newer ones, and Fury and Usyk.....coming up soon to settle it.

But only one of them lost to Fury and only fanboy casuals give fighters credit for victories they didn't achieve themselves.

[dan-b]

You are not acknowledging history, you are ignoring history and trying to impose your own pedantic opinions in its place.

There was no historical precedent or justification for Wlad Klitschko being recognised as lineal champ when he never beat a lineal champion in the ring and was never the undisputed champ.

There was no historical precedent or justification for Tyson Fury still being the lineal champion after he announced his retirement, relinquished all his championship belts and handed in his boxing licence.

And there was no historical precedent or justification for Fury, when he came back without any title belts, fighting unranked bums like Seferi and Pianetta in "lineal title defences"

I always founds Wlad's supposed establishment of new lineage when he beat Ruslan Chagaev a little dubious. The Ring recognised it too, but wasn't Chagaev actually ranked 3?

[Stuntman Mike]

I don't disagree as a whole, and a lot of Fury’s "Era Dominance" has to do with Joshua going on a losing spree. In his defense, Whyte was ranked, revenged Povetkin and in the estimation of many, was going to expose Fury, and Chisora, admittedly an unnecessary fight, was coming off a mild upset over Pulev, one of his best career wins. The Wilder trilogy was epic, started with a draw and ended with Fury being dumped multiple times.

Not a huge Fury guy myself, but I chose to off some balance against all the fan frustration.

The thing with me is

I knew he didn't want to fight Joshua especially before joshua was ruined by Andy ruiz

The fury retirement to me was a blatant duck of joshua because had he been active that fight would have been pressed and even while he retired it was what most people wanted

I personally seen through the hype around wilder and even in the build up to the fight I didn't beleive wilder was that good either


I think fury has messed boxing fans around for years and somehow he gets credit for beating wilder who fought who exactly ?

Luis ortiz twice in a life and death battles

Wilder and fury are both super over rated and both ducked good fighters their whole career

But furys the worst