Isn't it possible Ngannou has more power than Wilder?

[Pugilist89]

Ok...

What does this have to do with the fact there is no correlation between muscle strength and size and punching power?

Fast twitch muscle fiber overlap with punching power and strength feats. The only boxers who throw really powerful punches that aren't fast twitchy..are heavy sized fighters.

[Pugilist89]

What does this have to do with the fact there is no correlation between muscle strength and size and punching power?

Strength is 50% fast-twitch 50% size of the muscle. Meaning that the less you have of one, the more the other one can compensate.

Since Ngannou has both, he has an edge over Wilder, theoretically, for an average punch being thrown, including an average power shot. .

[Sharpshootah]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC_t7h1JTls

Has noone seen this?

[IronDanHamza]

Strength is 50% fast-twitch 50% size of the muscle. Meaning that the less you have of one, the more the other one can compensate.

Since Ngannou has both, he has an edge over Wilder, theoretically, for an average punch being thrown, including an average power shot. .

If he could actually throw a punch properly you might have a point but he doesn't.

He will have zero power when he fights Fury.

He's got a 60% KO ratio in his own sport which is the same as Mayweather

[IronDanHamza]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LC_t7h1JTls

Has noone seen this?

Those tests don't mean anything.

Amir Khan and the rapper Dappy got the same reading when they did one.

The guy is really trying to say that this guy's punching power is the same as getting hit by a Ford Escort at full speed It's almost painfully absurd.

[Sharpshootah]

Those tests don't mean anything.

Amir Khan and the rapper Dappy got the same reading when they did one.

The guy is really trying to say that this guy's punching power is the same as getting hit by a Ford Escort at full speed It's almost painfully absurd.

And not once did they prove it in a ring too. Khan lol

[crimsonfalcon07]

Big arms means big muscles. Big muscles means more strength. More strength means more power.

Flat wrong. Yeesh. I wrote a lot of very long posts about this topic in the History sub. I'm not going to waste the time of the other people who understand physics regurgitating the basics for you.

Shorter version, power is defined by force on target. Force is mass times acceleration. More bulk also means more mass that you have to accelerate. A lot of muscle usually means weight lifting, which, unless it's been specifically geared towards explosive power AND endurance, usually means primarily slow oxidative muscle fibers, which means more bulk AND slow acceleration. So, you can move weight over long distances and slow times, but you don't actually have more punching power.

Strength isn't just one thing. The type of strength that transfers to boxing power is very different from the type of strength that relates to moving weight and having bulky arms.

The PRIMARY determiner of punching power is ALWAYS technique. Always. It's about the efficiency of your kinetic chain. The vast majority of the time, muscle on the big bulky guys inhibits the kinetic chain and power transfer and has a negative effect on punching power. That's why muscle size is usually NEGATIVELY correlated with punching power. If you don't get it, go read the long thread about punching power in the other sub.

[Pugilist89]

Flat wrong. Yeesh. I wrote a lot of very long posts about this topic in the History sub. I'm not going to waste the time of the other people who understand physics regurgitating the basics for you.

Shorter version, power is defined by force on target. Force is mass times acceleration. More bulk also means more mass that you have to accelerate. A lot of muscle usually means weight lifting, which, unless it's been specifically geared towards explosive power AND endurance, usually means primarily slow oxidative muscle fibers, which means more bulk AND slow acceleration. So, you can move weight over long distances and slow times, but you don't actually have more punching power.

Strength isn't just one thing. The type of strength that transfers to boxing power is very different from the type of strength that relates to moving weight and having bulky arms.

The PRIMARY determiner of punching power is ALWAYS technique. Always. It's about the efficiency of your kinetic chain. The vast majority of the time, muscle on the big bulky guys inhibits the kinetic chain and power transfer and has a negative effect on punching power. That's why muscle size is usually NEGATIVELY correlated with punching power. If you don't get it, go read the long thread about punching power in the other sub.

I was talking about the natural, genetic size of the muscle. Not inflated size via bodybuilding or power lifting.

[Pugilist89]

If he could actually throw a punch properly you might have a point but he doesn't.

He will have zero power when he fights Fury.

He's got a 60% KO ratio in his own sport which is the same as Mayweather

He can crack harder with boxing gloves and he has more opportunity to do so. In fact a 100% since it's boxing.

[Pugilist89]

Strength isn't just one thing. The type of strength that transfers to boxing power is very different from the type of strength that relates to moving weight and having bulky arms.

That's not true. The strongest powerlifters are fast twitchers, not slow.

See mariuz pudzianowski KO a Gracie. Fast twitch muscle fiber at work.