Isn't it possible Ngannou has more power than Wilder?

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  • Pugilist89
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    #31
    Originally posted by BoxingParadigm
    Wilder has better technique and leverage on his punches. .
    Yes, he engages his back, unlike what boxing coaches teach (they instruct to keep it erect).

    By doing THIS, your punch gets more leverage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4i_...ist=LL&index=2


    Originally posted by BoxingParadigm
    Chances are that if Ngannou could have been a world class boxer he would've been one.
    Maybe he will be! It all depends on how his power translates to big cushion.... Aren't you curious to see?

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      #32
      Originally posted by lopetego

      Yeah, instead of getting paid peanuts in the UFC

      if you know how to fight with your fists and want to get paid, you chose boxing, not Dana White's sweatshop
      Theres 1364 active pro HWs right now (according to Boxrec) and theres probably not 100 that beat Ngannou even with him not focusing purely on boxing, in France only Yoka and Takam (and Gane who isnt even a boxer) would beat him, in Cameroon zero.. The pay argument is deceptive because its only the absolute top sub 1% of boxers who are making more money than UFC guys, and they're having to be get through a much bigger talent pool than MMA to make it to that level. Ngannou was 26 and homeless and befriended some MMA guys who let him train at their gym for free, MMA made sense for him at that stage in his life.

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      • Pugilist89
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        #33
        Originally posted by elfag
        No and its not even close


        Lots of skinny guys had power. Hearns. Diego Corrales, ect


        Its about their leverage with long arms in their case.



        Its like finding some 180 pound striker form MMA and being like well doesnt he hit harder than Thomas Hearns because he has muscle mass.... doesnt that sound ******? so why is it different at heavyweight? Wilder hits harder than AJ who looks very muscular. Why would some cage fighter hit harder than a muscular lifetime boxer? does that make sense?
        Power is innate. Has nothing to do with background.

        Here's a Glory Kickboxer taking a boxing fight against an elite boxer. Guess who hit ten times harder? The Muay Thai guy..

        Last edited by Pugilist89; 07-19-2023, 10:49 AM.

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        • BoxingParadigm
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          #34
          Originally posted by Pugilist89

          Yes, he engages his back, unlike what boxing coaches teach (they instruct to keep it erect).

          By doing THIS, your punch gets more leverage. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q4i_...ist=LL&index=2




          Maybe he will be! It all depends on how his power translates to big cushion.... Aren't you curious to see?
          Not really, but it would be quite the story if he can become a successful world class boxer.

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            #35
            Throwing technique are way different in boxing and MMA. Boxers throw punches with more intent than MMA fighters because punches are the sole way of scoring points.

            MMA fighters power not translating to boxing isn’t really that, there’s plenty of MMA fighters with punching power, it’s more because they don’t know how to throw like a boxer. The technique that goes behind every punch. Even a guy like Wilder who looks like he has little to no technique

            So Ngannou might have more punching power than Wilder, but it may not show because he doesn’t know how to throw punches with the intent like a boxer, with boxing gloves. You have to throw a little harder when wearing boxing gloves than when wearing MMA gloves. That’s why an MMA fighter can look underpowered when throwing in a boxing match, because they’re used to throwing those weaker hammer fists.

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              #36
              Originally posted by BoxingParadigm

              Not really, but it would be quite the story if he can become a successful world class boxer.

              So where do you think Ngannous power will place relative to other heavy weight boxers?

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                #37
                Originally posted by -Kev-
                Throwing technique are way different in boxing and MMA. Boxers throw punches with more intent than MMA fighters because punches are the sole way of scoring points.
                It takes a few weeks to adjust any type of punching from one style to another. It's not hard.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by TMLT87
                  The pay argument is deceptive because its only the absolute top sub 1% of boxers who are making more money than UFC guys, and they're having to be get through a much bigger talent pool than MMA to make it to that level. Ngannou was 26 and homeless and befriended some MMA guys who let him train at their gym for free, MMA made sense for him at that stage in his life.
                  Good point.

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                    #39
                    Originally posted by Pugilist89


                    So where do you think Ngannous power will place relative to other heavy weight boxers?
                    I have no idea, but chances are he won't turn out to be one of the better punchers in boxing heavyweight history like Wilder.

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                      #40
                      Originally posted by Pugilist89

                      It takes a few weeks to adjust any type of punching from one style to another. It's not hard.
                      It is hard in professional boxing, vs The Ring #1 ranked heavyweight.

                      If you tell me Ngannou is coming to boxing and being developed like a boxer, starting off with an easy opponent, yeah.

                      But he’s fighting Tyson Fury for his first fight.

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