We know fairly little about Usyk....

[Toffee]

You can bounce around stylistic match ups and tactical theories.

But the fact is that Usyk has been in with very good fighters. Different styles, different shapes and sizes. He's been tested. And he's always found an answer that was good enough to beat whatever was in front of him.

It's the biggest difference between Joshua and Usyk. Joshua and his team can come up with strategies. But Usyk can change things on the night, in the ring. It's probably his greatest attribute.

There's no single style that will beat him. It will need to be someone too good, who can pose too many questions that he can't solve.

Could be Fury. But he's not prepared to take the chance that it could be him.

[Zelda]

Unfortunately Fury is not as confident as you are. That is why this fight hasn`t been made.

I would say there are other reasons for the fight not happening than being confident or not. We have seen that with other big fights too.

[elfag]

Plenty of fighters have fought aggressively against Usyk but it never worked. Counter-punching Usyk is the key. He's a machine. You won't take that stamina from him. You have to time him. Dubois might do that but I doubt it. Usyk didn't look great against Chazz or Chisora but he damn sure got the job done both times and he damn sure did against AJ twice. He's proven himself plenty at heavyweight and I think he'll do so again here.

AJ literally tried to counter punch Usyk and that was a terrible strategy. Usyk is going to be faster than every heavyweight out there. Chisora nearly overcame the large skill gap between him and Usyk with aggression and pressure which used his size/strength advantage. As for chisora ultimately losing he was always a contender not a champ, it was still a good strategy/style, he fought the right fight he just isnt the better fighter.

[JakeTheBoxer]

I used to believe Fury would beat Usyk, even easily. he should have all the tools.

I don`t believe that s.hit anymore, Fury is too scared to fight an ordinary contender, not to mention Usyk.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Plenty of fighters have fought aggressively against Usyk but it never worked. Counter-punching Usyk is the key. He's a machine. You won't take that stamina from him. You have to time him. Dubois might do that but I doubt it. Usyk didn't look great against Chazz or Chisora but he damn sure got the job done both times and he damn sure did against AJ twice. He's proven himself plenty at heavyweight and I think he'll do so again here.

You are correct mate, well at-least according to my opinion.

Do you think Lennox Lewis or a peak Wladimir Kiltschko i.e Two great Super Heavyweights, would just wade forward vs Usyk? No.

The way in my opinion for a Super Heavyweight to fight Usyk, is with the classic big man styled fight.

A classic big man styled fight, is the tactical fight many people have become used to all great Super Heavyweights using against 'Old school styled physique Heavyweights like Usyk'.

Solid Jab, bombardment from Long to Mid Range and then wrestling the opponent on the inside and distributing their work.

I would not say it is entirely counter punching, but because it is a dominant way of fighting 'But it does involve counter punching'.

Lennox Lewis vs Mike Tyson, Lennox Lewis vs Evander Holyfield I & II, Lennox Lewis vs Tommy Morrison.

Wladimir Kiltschko vs David Haye, Wladimir Kiltschko vs Lamon Brewster II, Wladimir Kilschko vs Povetkin.

These were just a few fights were Kilschko and Lewis fought a big man styled fight.

Anthony Joshua had the first two processes and attributes to fight a big man styled fight vs Usyk, but what Joshua lacked was a inside game and ability to wrestle in the inside.

But as I have stated in my other posts in this thread 'This is a area of Joshua's game, that he has improved vs Franklin'.

For the first time ever Joshua actually tied up his opponent on the inside and wrestled, completely disrupting Franklin's work at mid-range and on the inside.

If Joshua used these tactics vs Usyk, it would of completely altered the entire dynamic of the fight.

Note: David Haye as a fighter for me at his absolute peak, was a better fighter than Usyk. Haye had more punching power, had greater athleticism, and a better defense. When Haye fought Kiltschko at that point in his career, as a professional I think he was on track to become a better fighter than Usyk.

Haye just like Usyk was really in all honesty the Undisputed Cruiser-weight World Champion, he was only not given this complete title 'Due to a technicality'. David Haye also won these titles in a by far more violent and for me dominant fashion than Usyk 'Haye was the Usyk of that era at that point in his career'.

Although Haye was my fighter, Wladimir Kiltschko beat him in most of the rounds 'Specifically by fighting a big man styled fight'.

If you are not going to blast Usyk out, or deck him 'Then just wading forward, and fighting with 1000% aggression for me is not the way to fight him'. For a while in this type of fight it may appear as if the fighter is doing well 'But a classic trait of this era's heavyweights, is that their overall conditioning and endurance is below par'.

Anyone who has watched Chisora fight, even at his peak 'Knew pretty much by round 3, the fight was going to start moving towards Usyk'.

Note: Anthony Joshua skill for skill, and as a whole has been Usyk's most difficult opponent at Heavyweight etc.

[QueensburyRules]

—- Usyk has a better record than Holyfield starting with Olympic Gold Medal.

Umpteen undefeated title bouts against the best Ring rated fighters that can be found, so the OP is just stooopid or a promoter mouthpiece or worse.

AJ & Usyk both made Blubber duck him, now in desperate need for another in his series of low hanging fruit, a BigMan currently in his dainty boy phase of regression…

[Willow The Wisp]

Joshua's effort vs Usyk I & II was a greater than Chisora's performance vs Usyk.

From about round 3 of Chisora vs Usyk, anyone who has watched Chisora's entire career knew there and then 'That he was soon going to fade, and with that his technique and tactics would become very one dimensional and easier to negate'.

Joshua skill for skill was in the fight vs Usyk II, right until round 10 'That was the point in the fight were Usyk took over'.

The reason why I think Joshua lost to Usyk, was because Joshua struggles to fight a good big man styled fight I.E This is the type of fight all great Super Heavyweights master as their default tactics 'Solid Jab, Long Range to Mid-Range game and the ability to tie up their opponents and wrestle on the inside'.

Anthony Joshua at the time he fought Usyk, struggled to actually fight like a Super Heavyweight 'Joshua seemingly has no idea of how to tie his opponents up or wrestle on the inside. If Joshua had this attribute to his game when he fought Usyk, it would of altered the entire dynamic of that fight'.

Note: Joshua has recently received plenty of criticism over his performance vs Franklin. But what I noticed in his performance vs Franklin 'Is that for the first time in his career, Joshua was actually wrestling Franklin on the inside and completely disrupting Franklin's work in that area'. As a result of this, Joshua controlled the fight and pretty much won 95% of the rounds while not even getting out of second gear 'Joshua for the first time in his career vs Franklin fought a big man styled fight'.

Many people have overlooked this part of Joshua's performance vs Franklin.

All-time great Super Heavyweights don't need to wade forward vs old school physique styled Heavyweights like Usyk 'If they can fight a good big man styled fight'.

Lennox Lewis did not wade forward vs Holyfield, Tua, Morrison, and the list goes on and on 'And the same observation can be made for Wladimir Kiltschko vs many fighters including David Haye';.

I have said this before and I will say it again. If Joshua vs Usyk III was called for? I would once again back Joshua for the win.

Joshua out of the two fighters improved in most during their rematch 'And most likely this trajectory would continue on into the third fight'.

I don't think Usyk has Joshua's number, if that was the case? Usyk really should of been able to stop Joshua in the rematch 'Instead Usyk pretty much fought the same kind of fight, but Joshua's effort was the most improved'.

Usyk is a threat stylistically for Fury. But Fury has been sitting back and watching all of these fights.

Fury is not as technically sound or correct as Joshua in his technique, and I don't think he punches with the same kind of power 'But Tyson Fury has a better developed big man styled fight than Joshua'. Long Range-Mid Range, Inside Game and rough house tactics.

The challenge for Fury will be that I think his defense and stamina is overrated 'Fury is innately a extremely clumsy fighter. I am beginning to believe that Usyk will have a easier time hitting Fury than Joshua etc.

Good, well articulated thoughts. The best thing about our sport is that all will be revealed....if these guys ever get into the same ring together anyway.

[Willow The Wisp]

You can bounce around stylistic match ups and tactical theories.

But the fact is that Usyk has been in with very good fighters. Different styles, different shapes and sizes. He's been tested. And he's always found an answer that was good enough to beat whatever was in front of him.

It's the biggest difference between Joshua and Usyk. Joshua and his team can come up with strategies. But Usyk can change things on the night, in the ring. It's probably his greatest attribute.

There's no single style that will beat him. It will need to be someone too good, who can pose too many questions that he can't solve.

Could be Fury. But he's not prepared to take the chance that it could be him.

Very high praise for Usyk.
Still, my personal approach would be, let's see how easily he handles Daniel Dubois.
Regarding that match up...
The majority of fans are focused heavily on the gap in their respective science, while neglecting the other influences. His 3rd good heavyweight opponents, I'm looking to their fight to provide evidence that Usyk is indeed a special big man. Or to dispell the notion.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Very high praise for Usyk.
Still, my personal approach would be, let's see how easily he handles Daniel Dubois.
Regarding that match up...
The majority of fans are focused heavily on the gap in their respective science, while neglecting the other influences. His 3rd good heavyweight opponents, I'm looking to their fight to provide evidence that Usyk is indeed a special big man. Or to dispell the notion.

I don't expect Usyk to stop Dubois, providing? Dubois is injury free.

Dubois has good power, he is durable and he is innately a extremely aggressive fighter.

Usyk will most likely win the fight, but stylistically it will most likely be a bit of a struggle for Usyk.

But I don't think Usyk should be down rated for that, whether certain fights are stylistically easier for him or difficult 'Usyk has been getting the win'.

Usyk's fight vs Chisora, is actually good experience for him coming into this fight 'Because I expect the action to be very similar in this match up' etc.

[SN!PER]

I'd bet money on Fury over Usyk if it happened right now... but as time drags on, it will only hurt Fury and benefit Usyk.

Fury's biggest weakness is his mental health problems, and his worst performances happened when he was out of the ring too long.