We know fairly little about Usyk....

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  • crimsonfalcon07
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    #11
    I personally think people made too much of the Chisora fight.

    There's a difference between going up in weight by stopping boiling down and putting on extra weight beyond your usual fighting weight. In the former, your abilities are as good or better because you're not draining yourself as much to make the weight. In the latter, you are carrying around extra weight that you aren't used to training and fighting with, with the inevitable result that your movement will be slowed and your gas tank will be greatly reduced.

    We saw this recently with Fury v Wilder 2/3. Both guys put on extra weight and gassed out badly pretty early on, especially in 3. Also with Canelo, although obviously there were other factors that have affected his gas tank.

    It takes at least a year to settle into extra weight. That's one of the main reason that the fighters, even special ones, who have jumped around the weight classes, have ended up performing terribly sooner or later. Any of you who are fighters and put on pandemic weight may have noticed that your movement and gas tank have really suffered from it. If you just take the weight off again, that's not as bad, but if you want to be able to perform with extra weight, particularly extra muscle with its extra oxygen demand, it takes specific endurance training to cope with the new demands, and that's going to take a year or two.

    So I expected Usyk to fight flatter and more conservatively, and have less explosiveness and gas out in his first fights at heavyweight. I think his team did as well, which is why they didn't jump straight into the mandatory position, as he was allowed to as undisputed champion. The AJ fights showed he was ready to fight as a heavyweight, and unless age is taking a toll, I expect him to fight that well or better moving forward. There's very particular training that one needs to do if they want to maintain or improve performance after putting on extra muscle mass. Many boxers don't do that, and most boxers moving up aren't putting on extra weight, they're just not boiling off quite as much temporary water weight as usual.

    If weight cutting were abolished, you'd see a lot more of this sort of thing as fighters adjusted to having to fight closer to their walking weight.

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    • Superbee
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      #12
      Originally posted by Willow The Wisp
      .....at Heavyweight.


      He squeezed by Chisora. Some even felt DelBoy deserved the nod.
      Wait ! Who ?



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        #13
        I do think it’s strange that people act like his fight with Chisora where he struggled doesn’t exist.

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          #14
          Originally posted by IronDanHamza
          I do think it’s strange that people act like his fight with Chisora where he struggled doesn’t exist.
          Now Iron Dan....would I lie?

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            #15
            Originally posted by Willow The Wisp

            Now Iron Dan....would I lie?
            About?

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              #16
              Dubois stylistically could be a competitive fight for Usyk 'Mainly because Dubois I think is innately a extremely aggressive fighter, with big power. Dubois most likely will not overthink the tactics vs Usyk, and for as long as he is in the fight 'He will pushing forward very aggressively'.

              But? I don't think Usyk should be down rated for that if it happens.

              When James Toney fought in the Heavyweight division 'He continually reminded people, that skill for skill? He had fought better fighters than 99.9% of these Heavyweights'.

              Usyk is in that same situation, the skill level of most of these Heavyweights is not really going to bother Usyk.

              The challenge for Usyk is to negate the potential brute strength and power of these Heavyweights.

              So in all honesty it is not a great observation saying things like 'All Heavyweights need to do is impose their brute strength on Usyk'.

              Usyk pretty much faced the last in condition version of Derek Chisora 'It was a competitive fight, but Usyk won the fight and overcame that challenge'.

              Anthony Joshua is a super heavyweight, who hits with more power than 95% of the Heavyweight division 'Joshua also outside of Fury and Usyk, is the most proven pure boxer in the Heavyweight division. Usyk beat Joshua twice back to back, and even though the second fight was more competitive Usyk still overcame Joshua's improved effort.

              Note: What we know about Usyk as a fighter is? Every single situation he has encountered in a boxing ring, he has quite simply overcame that challenge.

              It is clear to see what type of tactics and action bothers Usyk 'But are there any Heavyweights that can apply these sort of tactics and pressure at a high enough intensity for 12 rounds in order to win?'.

              I combination of rough house tactics, and a solid Mid-Long range game is the type of fight which I think pushes Usyk.

              Note: If Joshua vs Usyk III was called for, I have always stated that I would most likely STILL back Joshua to win that fight. Joshua out of the two fighters improved most in their rematch, and I think there is a likely-good that this trajectory would continue 'Enough for me to give Joshua a serious chance of winning, or at-least making the fight a even more competitive fight'.

              Usyk is the most accomplished active fighter in the sport of boxing, I rate him as a fighter extremely highly 'But Usyk can be pushed, their are fights out their stylistically that are extremely dangerous for him' etc.




              Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 07-07-2023, 10:02 AM.

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              • JakeTheBoxer
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                #17
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza
                I do think it’s strange that people act like his fight with Chisora where he struggled doesn’t exist.
                Yeah, fine, I salute Chisora for losing to Usyk.

                And, again, the most of heavyweights can`t fight the way Chisora fights.

                Joshua tried it in the first fight and gassed out completely.

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                  Yeah, fine, I salute Chisora for losing to Usyk.

                  And, again, the most of heavyweights can`t fight the way Chisora fights.

                  Joshua tried it in the first fight and gassed out completely.
                  Do you not delete that fight from history since it was a while ago?

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                    Do you not delete that fight from history since it was a while ago?
                    No.

                    Look man , it is not my problem that you have some issues with my opinion about Fury.

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                      #20
                      Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                      No.

                      Look man , it is not my problem that you have some issues with my opinion about Fury.
                      But I thought you only count wins that happened recently?

                      Or do you just pick and choose when you do that?

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