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  • JakeTheBoxer
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    #31
    Originally posted by Zelda
    Usyk is certainly a beatable fighter at HW.

    The key to beating Usyk is not trying to outbox him which is the mistake AJ made. Instead, a HW with power, stamina, and decent skills could defeat him. Chisora had the right mindset but lacked the agility and technique. I think Wilder could get him because he will play at long-range and try to KO him plus he has good speed and stamina as well. Otherwise, Usyk absolutely schools him but Wilder will never try to box with Usyk. He could win if he connects even a few times. Fury has it all, range, skills, and IQ to use his size to bully Usyk. Fury can win both on points and KO. The rest of the HW isn't up to its potential. Perhaps younger versions of Ruiz, Ortiz, or Povetkin could have given Usyk trouble but the rest of the current HWs lack the skills and dedication required to be an elite boxer.
    Unfortunately Fury is not as confident as you are. That is why this fight hasn`t been made.

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    • hugh grant
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      #32
      Nothing is a given.in boxing, let alone in the heavyweight division. That's why we like to see fighters face each other, not necessarily because seeing people punched is excjting. But rather to see if what we think will happen does happen.
      Dubois can beat usyk.

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      • Roadblock
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        #33
        Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer
        Yes, but Chisora is a tough inside maschine who works hard for 12 rounds.

        These huge guys like Joshua can`t do to Usyk what Chisora did. And, lets be honest, Chisora maybe won 4 rounds. I am generous.

        Only a few guys can fight the way Chisora fights.

        Dubois fight will not tell much, Dubois is a very ordinary fighter and Usyk will take his punch away.
        First fight at HW though and there was a lot of pressure on him to look good, I think he has adjusted into the division better since then.

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        • elfag
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          #34
          chisora and AJ fought him very differently.

          AJ fought him scared. AJ tried to outbox him from the outside, didnt use his size advantage and fought him like he was afraid of taking any punches.

          Chisora pressured him and used his size, he didnt care if he had to eat some shots.

          Usyk doesnt have much power at heavyweight, guys that are ok with taking some shots knowing hes an accurate puncher and using their strength and size on him they gave him a very hard fight despite a huge skill gap.

          This is why i am so frustrated with Fury and them not trying harder to get the fight made, he is easily the favorite and he can box or he can pressure, hes got two styles and using his size/pressure is the one here to make it an easy fight with Usyk.
          Last edited by elfag; 07-08-2023, 06:31 AM.

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          • Tails
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            #35
            Usyk is a really good fighter but Joshua did not do himself any favors in those fights.

            Not sure if it is the lack of experience fighting smaller quicker guys but Joshua looked like he wasn't sure how to attack Usyk.

            Reflecting on it he probably realizes that for people like Usyk you have to fight with the intention of getting the better of them in the second half of the fight. You may not see the visible damage being done in the first half but the shots you are landing are hurting the smaller man.

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            • Pigeons
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              #36
              Usyk has one of the best resumes at heavyweight: Joyce, Chisora, Joshua 2x.

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                #37
                Originally posted by IronDanHamza

                You won’t say he’s better than Bakole

                No I’m simply using your logic.

                You don’t count Fury’s win over Klitschko because it didn’t happen recently.

                I’m wondering why you don’t hold every fighter to they weird standard.
                Keep the same energy when your boy fights a f.ucking Ngannou next. LOOOOL.

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                  #38
                  Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                  Are you dumb or are you playing dumb?

                  Fury`s problem is not that he beat Klitschko in 2015. His problem is he only beat two top 10 guys since than.

                  I will recognize him as a true champ when he will fight other top contenders, as the true champ should do.

                  I won`t say he is better than Usyk, Joyce, Joshua, Parker, Zhang, Bakole, Hrgovic...he beat none of these guys.
                  As he approaches $200 million in net worth, I'm certain that World Champion Fury is very eager indeed to have Boxing Scene's JakeTheBoxer recognize him as a true champ.

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                  • IronDanHamza
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                    #39
                    Originally posted by JakeTheBoxer

                    Keep the same energy when your boy fights a f.ucking Ngannou next. LOOOOL.
                    Not a fan of Fury so he’s not “my boy”

                    I’m just not biased like you are.
                    Last edited by IronDanHamza; 07-08-2023, 08:54 PM.

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                    • PRINCEKOOL
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                      #40
                      Joshua's effort vs Usyk I & II was a greater than Chisora's performance vs Usyk.

                      From about round 3 of Chisora vs Usyk, anyone who has watched Chisora's entire career knew there and then 'That he was soon going to fade, and with that his technique and tactics would become very one dimensional and easier to negate'.

                      Joshua skill for skill was in the fight vs Usyk II, right until round 10 'That was the point in the fight were Usyk took over'.

                      The reason why I think Joshua lost to Usyk, was because Joshua struggles to fight a good big man styled fight I.E This is the type of fight all great Super Heavyweights master as their default tactics 'Solid Jab, Long Range to Mid-Range game and the ability to tie up their opponents and wrestle on the inside'.

                      Anthony Joshua at the time he fought Usyk, struggled to actually fight like a Super Heavyweight 'Joshua seemingly has no idea of how to tie his opponents up or wrestle on the inside. If Joshua had this attribute to his game when he fought Usyk, it would of altered the entire dynamic of that fight'.

                      Note: Joshua has recently received plenty of criticism over his performance vs Franklin. But what I noticed in his performance vs Franklin 'Is that for the first time in his career, Joshua was actually wrestling Franklin on the inside and completely disrupting Franklin's work in that area'. As a result of this, Joshua controlled the fight and pretty much won 95% of the rounds while not even getting out of second gear 'Joshua for the first time in his career vs Franklin fought a big man styled fight'.

                      Many people have overlooked this part of Joshua's performance vs Franklin.

                      All-time great Super Heavyweights don't need to wade forward vs old school physique styled Heavyweights like Usyk 'If they can fight a good big man styled fight'.

                      Lennox Lewis did not wade forward vs Holyfield, Tua, Morrison, and the list goes on and on 'And the same observation can be made for Wladimir Kiltschko vs many fighters including David Haye';.

                      I have said this before and I will say it again. If Joshua vs Usyk III was called for? I would once again back Joshua for the win.

                      Joshua out of the two fighters improved in most during their rematch 'And most likely this trajectory would continue on into the third fight'.

                      I don't think Usyk has Joshua's number, if that was the case? Usyk really should of been able to stop Joshua in the rematch 'Instead Usyk pretty much fought the same kind of fight, but Joshua's effort was the most improved'.

                      Usyk is a threat stylistically for Fury. But Fury has been sitting back and watching all of these fights.

                      Fury is not as technically sound or correct as Joshua in his technique, and I don't think he punches with the same kind of power 'But Tyson Fury has a better developed big man styled fight than Joshua'. Long Range-Mid Range, Inside Game and rough house tactics.

                      The challenge for Fury will be that I think his defense and stamina is overrated 'Fury is innately a extremely clumsy fighter. I am beginning to believe that Usyk will have a easier time hitting Fury than Joshua etc.


                      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 07-08-2023, 08:40 PM.

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