Is Fury avoiding Usyk

[MONGOOSE66]

Wilder has the most dangerous power potentially in this Heavyweight era.

But overall, is he really stylistically 'The most dangerous fighter for Tyson Fury? There is a genuine debate, that Wilder is not that type of threat'.

Wilder skill for skill technically, is not a elite level fighter 'Many heavyweights have the ability to take rounds off him consistently'.

Stylistically, Wilder should of really been a miles more easier contest for Fury 'But it was not, Wilder battered Fury in 2 out of the 3 fight. It was not a easy trilogy for Fury, he was decked, busted up, and was forced to rise up from knock-out blows'.

Stylistically I still believe that fighters like Joshua & Usyk are a big threat to Fury.

Anthony Joshua is a Super Heavyweight, with equal or even greater brute strength than Fury 'Joshua hits with more proven power than Fury. Also outside of Fury & Usyk, Joshua is the most proven pure boxer. Very few fighters have been able to consistently take rounds off Joshua'.

Note: So I do agree with you, that Fury is not afraid 'But I do believe that he has always been apprehensive of Usyk & Joshua historically. Fury is very astute when it comes to boxing and understanding the action 'Fury reads a fight and fighter very well. He will know which fighters deep down are his nearest competition stylistically'.

I honestly think the fights and wins vs Wilder are mega wins for Fury. But if Fury was this great all-time boxer, who apparently moves like at middle-weight at 270 pounds 'How is a technically limited boxer such as Wilder, able to land his power punches on Fury routinely? How was Wilder able to at times take rounds off Fury, and compete with his jab? I rate Wilder extremely highly as a fighter in today's era, but skill for skill Wilder is not a elite level fighter 'Wilder's power, aggression, determination, gameness is elite. But as a pure boxer skill for skill no boxing purist can rate Wilder as elite level fighter in that department.

Usyk skill for skill is a elite fighter, and he may currently right now 'Be operating at a higher level than Fury'.

Note: Tyson Fury skill for skill has not fought another elite level Heavyweight for 7-8 years 'Wladimir Kiltschko'. What I believe Fury is bothered by Usyk and Joshua, is that deep down he knows both of these fighters skill for skill consistently have fought at a higher level than himself.

Usyk fought consistently at World & Elite level in the cruiser weight divisions 'Usyk beat Joshua twice back to back who was a elite Heavyweight at that time skill for skill'.

Tyson Fury's last two fights have barely been at World level 'Chisora was semi-retired, and coming off a close win against another semi-retired fighter Pulev' etc.

You thinking that Joshua and Usyk are a real threat to Fury is hilarious. Says something about your judgement skills.
Id like to add that Usyk is a DAMN good fighter. Just too small for TRUE ELITE SUPER heavyweight fighters.
Who are the true elite fighters.? Theirs only TWO right now, today and that’s Fury and Wilder.
An honorable mention is a fighter you rarely see any of the top 10-3 ever want to fight and that’s Otto Wallin. I never see Whyte, Joshua, Wilder or Usyk ever want to fight him. He’s NEVER invited to the party. I wonder why?

[Toffee]

An honorable mention is a fighter you rarely see any of the top 10-3 ever want to fight and that’s Otto Wallin. I never see Whyte, Joshua, Wilder or Usyk ever want to fight him. He’s NEVER invited to the party. I wonder why?

His last 3 wins were against Olguin, Booker and Sokolowski. His best ever win was against a shot version of Dominic Breazeale. His biggest moment was being pulled from nowhere to fight and lose to Fury.

He's not exactly earned big fights. He brings very little to the party.

There are dangerous fights for Wallin that will build his status. He doesn't seek those.

Why expect the top earners to take a risk fighting him for low money, when he won't do the same and take a risk fighting his peers at his level?

[MONGOOSE66]

His last 3 wins were against Olguin, Booker and Sokolowski. His best ever win was against a shot version of Dominic Breazeale. His biggest moment was being pulled from nowhere to fight and lose to Fury.

He's not exactly earned big fights. He brings very little to the party.

There are dangerous fights for Wallin that will build his status. He doesn't seek those.

Why expect the top earners to take a risk fighting him for low money, when he won't do the same and take a risk fighting his peers at his level?

If people don’t want to fight him cause they’re scared of loosing. How is that Wallins fault?

[hugh grant]

Usy k accepted 30%, yet we got no fight! So fury is ducking now, as the time isn't right yet. But usy k might get beat, so why fury is putting fight off is anyone's guess.?
But fury hopes all will forgive him when he finally agrees to fight usyk? Like Khan finally decided to fight brook, or floyd finally decided to fight pac. But reputation damaged by that point

[Willow The Wisp]

Wilder has the most dangerous power potentially in this Heavyweight era.

But overall, is he really stylistically 'The most dangerous fighter for Tyson Fury? There is a genuine debate, that Wilder is not that type of threat'.

Wilder skill for skill technically, is not a elite level fighter 'Many heavyweights have the ability to take rounds off him consistently'.

Stylistically, Wilder should of really been a miles more easier contest for Fury 'But it was not, Wilder battered Fury in 2 out of the 3 fight. It was not a easy trilogy for Fury, he was decked, busted up, and was forced to rise up from knock-out blows'.

Stylistically I still believe that fighters like Joshua & Usyk are a big threat to Fury.

Anthony Joshua is a Super Heavyweight, with equal or even greater brute strength than Fury 'Joshua hits with more proven power than Fury. Also outside of Fury & Usyk, Joshua is the most proven pure boxer. Very few fighters have been able to consistently take rounds off Joshua'.

Note: So I do agree with you, that Fury is not afraid 'But I do believe that he has always been apprehensive of Usyk & Joshua historically. Fury is very astute when it comes to boxing and understanding the action 'Fury reads a fight and fighter very well. He will know which fighters deep down are his nearest competition stylistically'.

I honestly think the fights and wins vs Wilder are mega wins for Fury. But if Fury was this great all-time boxer, who apparently moves like at middle-weight at 270 pounds 'How is a technically limited boxer such as Wilder, able to land his power punches on Fury routinely? How was Wilder able to at times take rounds off Fury, and compete with his jab? I rate Wilder extremely highly as a fighter in today's era, but skill for skill Wilder is not a elite level fighter 'Wilder's power, aggression, determination, gameness is elite. But as a pure boxer skill for skill no boxing purist can rate Wilder as elite level fighter in that department.

Usyk skill for skill is a elite fighter, and he may currently right now 'Be operating at a higher level than Fury'.

Note: Tyson Fury skill for skill has not fought another elite level Heavyweight for 7-8 years 'Wladimir Kiltschko'. What I believe Fury is bothered by Usyk and Joshua, is that deep down he knows both of these fighters skill for skill consistently have fought at a higher level than himself.

Usyk fought consistently at World & Elite level in the cruiser weight divisions 'Usyk beat Joshua twice back to back who was a elite Heavyweight at that time skill for skill'.

Tyson Fury's last two fights have barely been at World level 'Chisora was semi-retired, and coming off a close win against another semi-retired fighter Pulev' etc.

Those are cogent thoughts. I guess you've pretty much outlined why Futy vs. Usyk and Joshua still make sense and needs to happen.

[Toffee]

If people don’t want to fight him cause they’re scared of loosing. How is that Wallins fault?

That's not how professional boxing works.

Why would they fight a guy with minimal reputation and credibility?

Unless you're going to fight your way to a mandatory spot, then rankings don't mean anything in this sport. Reputation and profile mean far more when it comes to getting big fights.

Wallin, If he's good enough, could have fought better guys than those I listed. Then he'd have been a legitimate challenger.

But he didn't and I think it's clear why. His team thought he didn't need to risk losing what little status he gained against Fury. So they've angled for the big money fights. Instead of earning them.

He's not an avoided bogeyman. He's just a guy that no-one is interested in.

[MONGOOSE66]

That's not how professional boxing works.

Why would they fight a guy with minimal reputation and credibility?

Unless you're going to fight your way to a mandatory spot, then rankings don't mean anything in this sport. Reputation and profile mean far more when it comes to getting big fights.

Wallin, If he's good enough, could have fought better guys than those I listed. Then he'd have been a legitimate challenger.

But he didn't and I think it's clear why. His team thought he didn't need to risk losing what little status he gained against Fury. So they've angled for the big money fights. Instead of earning them.

He's not an avoided bogeyman. He's just a guy that no-one is interested in.

Theirs no doubt he’s a diva ( who isn’t now a days) but he is also avoided due to everyone seeing him give a Fury a hard time. Not too many men can do that to Fury. Only other was Wilder and Klitschco. Kind of a says something belonging to that group huh?

[786]

I don’t pretend to know what goes on in Fury’s mind, he’s too all over the place but it would seem that he ducked Usyk.

I’m not sure how clear cut that is though. Usyk said that Fury requested the rematch clause but I saw an interview with Krassyuk where he was asked why not just have one fight and forget the rematch clause as fury suggested. He didn’t say that Fury requested the rematch clause in the first place, he said if we agreed to one fight only, they would’ve thought of something else to derail the fight.

That could be true, we all saw Fury’s antics but for Usyk’s team, that was really the dealbreaker? They agreed to everything, even 70-30 but no rematch clause no fight?

It’s **** like this why boxing at the top level is so annoying now. I hate the back and forth between the teams before a fight is signed or more likely before it falls through.

[Toffee]

Theirs no doubt he’s a diva ( who isn’t now a days) but he is also avoided due to everyone seeing him give a Fury a hard time. Not too many men can do that to Fury. Only other was Wilder and Klitschco. Kind of a says something belonging to that group huh?

Buy if you fight Wilder or Klitschko you got well paid for taking on a tough opponent.

Wallin is a decent fighter who will give anyone a tough night. He just never went and built himself beyond the Fury opportunity (which came from nowhere).

We get too caught up in saying fighters are avoided when they haven't earned a big fight. No-one needs to fight Wallin. No-one will earn from fighting Wallin. No-one will get much credibility from beating Wallin. So they go down other paths and it's only Wallin to blame.

That's why you get guys like Chisora being recycled in fights. They've built a following by taking and winning fights. Whyte got himself a mandatory shot winning half decent fights. So did Dubois. Hrgovic will. Zhang or Joyce will.

You don't have to beat many B Grade fighters to build a following or to earn a mandatory chance. Wallin just hasn't done it. He could have done what those guys did.

[MONGOOSE66]

Buy if you fight Wilder or Klitschko you got well paid for taking on a tough opponent.

Wallin is a decent fighter who will give anyone a tough night. He just never went and built himself beyond the Fury opportunity (which came from nowhere).

We get too caught up in saying fighters are avoided when they haven't earned a big fight. No-one needs to fight Wallin. No-one will earn from fighting Wallin. No-one will get much credibility from beating Wallin. So they go down other paths and it's only Wallin to blame.

That's why you get guys like Chisora being recycled in fights. They've built a following by taking and winning fights. Whyte got himself a mandatory shot winning half decent fights. So did Dubois. Hrgovic will. Zhang or Joyce will.

You don't have to beat many B Grade fighters to build a following or to earn a mandatory chance. Wallin just hasn't done it. He could have done what those guys did.

Maybe you watch fights with Chisora, Whyte, Parker, Miller, Takam & Joyce.
To me they’re just average heavyweights in a pathetic heavyweight landscape.