Is Fury avoiding Usyk

[MONGOOSE66]

I was one of the rare few that didn’t believe in the whole ‘fury is ducking Usyk’ narrative. How could a guy who went to fight the most dangerous puncher in boxing in his own backyard whilst not even 100% fit, be afraid.

But finding out today that Fury most likely won’t be taking the Saudi offer in December to fight Usyk, I now believe he’s avoiding him. He just doesn’t want to fight him for some reason. All I can think of is maybe fury is scared of usyks movement and the way he moves in the ring and changes angles and his boxing IQ.

Did the thought ever cross your mind that Usyk wants ridiculous amounts of money cause he knows he has all those belts?
Im not saying he doesn’t deserve a big pay day but the lawyers have the last say not Usyk nor Fury.

[kafkod]

As a long time scribe and historian deep into this crap for many years , I can't think of a single Heavyweight champion who didn't generate the EXACT same level of criticism that Tyson Fury does. That includes Liston, Ali, Frazer, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, W. Klitschko; the best of the best.

I can only attempt to explain the phenomenon by pointing to the critics, who take a subliminal offense by watching some other somebody doing heroics and earning great wealth while they themselves struggle with simple challenges like making ends meet. So they lash out with their bitching.

Anyway, all the HOF level champions of the only combat sport that history cares anything about I've named here have gotten the same complaints.

No question that Fury needs to fight at least twice this year, and if I had my way he'd take out Usyk before new years eve, but the snail's pace of making these fights happen, frustrating as it is, doesn't undo Fury’s remarkable accomplishments.

"Liston, Ali, Frazer, Foreman, Holmes, Tyson, Holyfield, Bowe, Lewis, W. Klitschko; the best of the best."

Let's be clear about this, Fury is being criticised for claiming to be the best HW in the world without proving it by fighting and beating the other top guys. That's what we're talking about here. Criticism for other reasons ... like refusing to be drafted into the army, getting locked up for ****, being associated with the Mafia , etc, does not belong in the conversation.

Of the former champs you listed there, only Bowe got criticised for avoiding anybody, after he binned his WBC belt to avoid fighting Lewis.

[just the facts]

I really want to say no but it appears like Fury is avoiding Usyk. I can’t figure out why, I still think Fury beats Usyk.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Did the thought ever cross your mind that Usyk wants ridiculous amounts of money cause he knows he has all those belts?
Im not saying he doesn’t deserve a big pay day but the lawyers have the last say not Usyk nor Fury.

If it was about Usyk wanting the money, why did he agree to 70/30 split? This has always been about Fury. Fury was the one that priced the fight out of Saudi already. They came out already and said Fury asked for so much money that Usyk could fight for free and they'd still lose money. How many fights has Fury screwed over with his antics? Meanwhile the Fury fight is the only one that Usyk hasn't been able to make. Usyk was able to get business done with Dubois, who has the same promoter. Who's the jackass sitting out with no fight, who's probably going to end up fighting an MMA guy at best? It's not Usyk...

It's absolutely mind boggling that anyone is ****** enough to think this is about Usyk being greedy.

[MONGOOSE66]

If it was about Usyk wanting the money, why did he agree to 70/30 split? This has always been about Fury. Fury was the one that priced the fight out of Saudi already. They came out already and said Fury asked for so much money that Usyk could fight for free and they'd still lose money. How many fights has Fury screwed over with his antics? Meanwhile the Fury fight is the only one that Usyk hasn't been able to make. Usyk was able to get business done with Dubois, who has the same promoter. Who's the jackass sitting out with no fight, who's probably going to end up fighting an MMA guy at best? It's not Usyk...

It's absolutely mind boggling that anyone is ****** enough to think this is about Usyk being greedy.

There are different aspects of money negotiated. It’s not all just one way percentages.

[shawnkemp804]

Seems so , fury could just be playing the time game on him , waiting for him to age in the ring.

Usyk is 36 now and has a high volume style with fast reflexes and lots of movement. He wont be the same man in the ring for much longer. He will eventually lose a step.

Furys style of fighting ages better, he could keep it up for years

You mean Fury's style of not fighting anybody worth mentioning (Besides a old Wladimir K and Deontay Wilder).

[crimsonfalcon07]

There are different aspects of money negotiated. It’s not all just one way percentages.

Aka, I'm going to make up a narrative so I can feel better about my hero, the greedy belly, being the biggest duck of the era? Because the facts are there, plain to see. Right out of the "I don't want to fight" playbook. Make outrageous demands for money. Check. Make outrageous demands about the split. Check. Get fussy about some clause my own team put in. Check. Demand that the loser get a higher percentage than the undefeated unified champion gets for the first fight. Check. Make more demands to delay the fight when the funding looks like maybe it can't be as much of a problem. Check.

How much more obvious does it need to be?

[Zelda]

I don't think Fury is afraid of fighting Usyk.

But Fury has a very high image of himself and thinks beating Wilder and Whyte has turned him into Mayweather. Now, he wants money in the hundreds of million which even the Saudis won't be paying. Remember that a double header fight in Saudi is something Eddie discussed but not something Amer emphasized. A fight in the UK and Fury thinks he should keep most of the share which will be unacceptable to Usyk. This complicates the entire scenario. Fury really believes he is vastly superior (in terms of commercial value) to Usyk and it is easy to argue in favor of that.

Don't also forget that the Saudi money is still a "potential" fight and no offer has been made yet which was even admitted by Amer. Also, keep in mind that Queensberry is a business that could have different ideas. Currently, two of Frank's fighters are next to fight Usyk so he may fancy his chances of making some money and that either Dubois or Joyce/Zhang may be able to beat Usyk. He can have multiple champs and the keys to the entire HW division. I am not sure if Warren would create hurdles in the fight but it could be a good enough reason not to push for the fight.

[MONGOOSE66]

Aka, I'm going to make up a narrative so I can feel better about my hero, the greedy belly, being the biggest duck of the era? Because the facts are there, plain to see. Right out of the "I don't want to fight" playbook. Make outrageous demands for money. Check. Make outrageous demands about the split. Check. Get fussy about some clause my own team put in. Check. Demand that the loser get a higher percentage than the undefeated unified champion gets for the first fight. Check. Make more demands to delay the fight when the funding looks like maybe it can't be as much of a problem. Check.

How much more obvious does it need to be?

I’m curious, do you know anything about the sweet science cause it looks like you love focusing on all this OTHER bullsheeit OUTSIDE of boxing?
I could give a fook about anything outside of the RING.
I don’t see no reason for ANY boxer to be afraid of another. Boxing, unfortunately is a BUSINESS. None of these guys do what’s right cause their knob bosses are always trying to make a buck. They delay fights to build up interest. That’s how they make money.
You and I are already interested in seeing them fight but the general public could give a fook and unfortunately that’s where the money is. With the idiots who don’t know sheeit about boxing.

[Superbee]

Is Fury avoiding Usyk ?

Simply said: YESSSS ....