Is Fury avoiding Usyk

[crimsonfalcon07]

I’m curious, do you know anything about the sweet science cause it looks like you love focusing on all this OTHER bullsheeit OUTSIDE of boxing?
I could give a fook about anything outside of the RING.
I don’t see no reason for ANY boxer to be afraid of another. Boxing, unfortunately is a BUSINESS. None of these guys do what’s right cause their knob bosses are always trying to make a buck. They delay fights to build up interest. That’s how they make money.
You and I are already interested in seeing them fight but the general public could give a fook and unfortunately that’s where the money is. With the idiots who don’t know sheeit about boxing.

Check some of my other posts if you want to know how much I know about combat sports. I'm not in this for watching people fight. I'm a lifelong student and teacher. I follow boxing primarily because who better to watch for hands than the specialists. As Bruce Lee said, "adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is uniquely your own." Have to temper that by the issue that when you add in kicks, takedowns, weapons, etc, there's a lot of deficiencies in boxing that are due to what you can expect from the ruleset. That's a bit of a thread hijack though.

But you don't have to be an expert in pretty much anything to see that Fury has a LONG history of ducking smoke and screwing up big fight negotiations. You just need to look at it with a little objectivity.

[MONGOOSE66]

Check some of my other posts if you want to know how much I know about combat sports. I'm not in this for watching people fight. I'm a lifelong student and teacher. I follow boxing primarily because who better to watch for hands than the specialists. As Bruce Lee said, "adapt what is useful, reject what is useless, and add what is uniquely your own." Have to temper that by the issue that when you add in kicks, takedowns, weapons, etc, there's a lot of deficiencies in boxing that are due to what you can expect from the ruleset. That's a bit of a thread hijack though.

But you don't have to be an expert in pretty much anything to see that Fury has a LONG history of ducking smoke and screwing up big fight negotiations. You just need to look at it with a little objectivity.

Look how long some fights take to happen. They still happen though. I don’t like waiting either but fortunately for me I have other things on my plate so waiting really isn’t an issue for me. They will fight each other regardless of everyone’s opinions they won’t.
Fury fought the most dangerous fighter out there in wilder. He has no need to fear little Usyk or ANYONE ELSE cause everyone sucks.

[Willow The Wisp]

Is Water wet. Its obvious he is avoiding Uysk. He didn’t even want to fight Wilder again until Wilder took him to court. Uysk fights southpaw which is difficult for Fury and Uysk is the most skilled heavyweight in the division.

That's also not a terrible perception. But we were not part of any of the many failed negotiations that sought to bring Usyk, Joshua & Ruiz into the circle of those who fought for the Actual heavyweight championship contests that Fury, Klitschko, Wilder have fought for, to date.
Fury is an erratic personality, but having fought (and won) against murderous hitting Wilder, reigning champion Klitschko and others, it's pretty hard to imagine that the very light hitting and smallish Oleksandr Usyk is making him nervous.
More likely, his team is aware that the Saudi money for December - March supercard is real, and he's looking to earn.
Again, his path to being acknowledged by his critics as an all time great is taking care of business against Usyk, Joshua and Ruiz (At least two of them), and a Beijing blockbuster againt Zhang would go a long way too.
If he fails in this, he'll still be remembered as the best of his era, but as someone who was lazy about it.

[MONGOOSE66]

I was one of the rare few that didn’t believe in the whole ‘fury is ducking Usyk’ narrative. How could a guy who went to fight the most dangerous puncher in boxing in his own backyard whilst not even 100% fit, be afraid.

But finding out today that Fury most likely won’t be taking the Saudi offer in December to fight Usyk, I now believe he’s avoiding him. He just doesn’t want to fight him for some reason. All I can think of is maybe fury is scared of usyks movement and the way he moves in the ring and changes angles and his boxing IQ.

Yea, Usyk is so scarry… (shaking my head)……Their letting it marinade. Its not that complicated. Only risky for Usyk cause any top 8 heavy weight could whip him.

[Mr Giggles]

Yea, Usyk is so scarry… (shaking my head)……Their letting it marinade. Its not that complicated. Only risky for Usyk cause any top 8 heavy weight could whip him.

AJ is a top 4 heavyweight and he didn’t whip him

[Willow The Wisp]

AJ is a top 4 heavyweight and he didn’t whip him

Styles make fights? Usyk is a prodigious boxer, but he's still got more to prove at heavyweight than Fury, Wilder and even the guy he outboxed twice.

[Mr Giggles]

Styles make fights? Usyk is a prodigious boxer, but he's still got more to prove at heavyweight than Fury, Wilder and even the guy he outboxed twice.

And fury has shown he struggles way more with a style of Usyk than with a flat footed puncher.

[Willow The Wisp]

And fury has shown he struggles way more with a style of Usyk than with a flat footed puncher.

For sure. Fury will have to bring a good game plan, use what he can do. Usyk, Joshua, Ruiz and Wilder represent a very healthy division...but they've gotta start mixing it up together more before they age out. Fingers crossed.

[MONGOOSE66]

AJ is a top 4 heavyweight and he didn’t whip him

AJ is DONE. It’s over. Time to retire. His heart isn’t in it no more. You really need someone to point that out for you??

[PRINCEKOOL]

Look how long some fights take to happen. They still happen though. I don’t like waiting either but fortunately for me I have other things on my plate so waiting really isn’t an issue for me. They will fight each other regardless of everyone’s opinions they won’t.
Fury fought the most dangerous fighter out there in wilder. He has no need to fear little Usyk or ANYONE ELSE cause everyone sucks.

Wilder has the most dangerous power potentially in this Heavyweight era.

But overall, is he really stylistically 'The most dangerous fighter for Tyson Fury? There is a genuine debate, that Wilder is not that type of threat'.

Wilder skill for skill technically, is not a elite level fighter 'Many heavyweights have the ability to take rounds off him consistently'.

Stylistically, Wilder should of really been a miles more easier contest for Fury 'But it was not, Wilder battered Fury in 2 out of the 3 fight. It was not a easy trilogy for Fury, he was decked, busted up, and was forced to rise up from knock-out blows'.

Stylistically I still believe that fighters like Joshua & Usyk are a big threat to Fury.

Anthony Joshua is a Super Heavyweight, with equal or even greater brute strength than Fury 'Joshua hits with more proven power than Fury. Also outside of Fury & Usyk, Joshua is the most proven pure boxer. Very few fighters have been able to consistently take rounds off Joshua'.

Note: So I do agree with you, that Fury is not afraid 'But I do believe that he has always been apprehensive of Usyk & Joshua historically. Fury is very astute when it comes to boxing and understanding the action 'Fury reads a fight and fighter very well. He will know which fighters deep down are his nearest competition stylistically'.

I honestly think the fights and wins vs Wilder are mega wins for Fury. But if Fury was this great all-time boxer, who apparently moves like at middle-weight at 270 pounds 'How is a technically limited boxer such as Wilder, able to land his power punches on Fury routinely? How was Wilder able to at times take rounds off Fury, and compete with his jab? I rate Wilder extremely highly as a fighter in today's era, but skill for skill Wilder is not a elite level fighter 'Wilder's power, aggression, determination, gameness is elite. But as a pure boxer skill for skill no boxing purist can rate Wilder as elite level fighter in that department.

Usyk skill for skill is a elite fighter, and he may currently right now 'Be operating at a higher level than Fury'.

Note: Tyson Fury skill for skill has not fought another elite level Heavyweight for 7-8 years 'Wladimir Kiltschko'. What I believe Fury is bothered by Usyk and Joshua, is that deep down he knows both of these fighters skill for skill consistently have fought at a higher level than himself.

Usyk fought consistently at World & Elite level in the cruiser weight divisions 'Usyk beat Joshua twice back to back who was a elite Heavyweight at that time skill for skill'.

Tyson Fury's last two fights have barely been at World level 'Chisora was semi-retired, and coming off a close win against another semi-retired fighter Pulev' etc.