Comments Thread For: Spence Says Crawford Fight Negotiations Grueling, Tough Obstacles Due To Terence's Demands

[BlackRobb]

"BLAME BOB! Oh wait, I can't use that excuse anymore..."

[Monty Fisto]

First of all, I don't see anyone "lavishing praise" on Bud's welterweight resume. I'm just pointing out the facts.

But since we are on the subject, here's where that agenda is flawed........Crawford is 39-0....only 7 of those fights are at welterweight. Crawford's value to the sport is from his complete body of work..... These man fans want us to ignore any accomplishment and just focus on those 7 fights at 147lbs.......which is silly because they didn't do it for Danny Garcia who lost to every elite fighter he's faced since leaving 140.... They didn't do it for Mikey Garcia who didn't have a single fight at welterweight before getting a title shot vs EJ.......

And they didn't do it for Errol Spence Jr. who started his career at 154 then dropped to 147 to become a contender for a world title. Hell Spence is talking about fighting Canelo after Crawford.....Not once has his fans brought up he did nothing at 154 (most don't even know he fought there). Not one of his fans bring up that he has work to do at 160. Not one of his fans bring up that he's never fought at 168lbs.........The double standard is hilarious. Crawford move up in the ranks as he won titles and got the Lineal from the divisions he was in. That deserves respect, but instead, he's given less respect as a fighter than Jaron Ennis or Vergil Ortiz......individuals who've won NOTHING.

Now let's look at the opposition......

Crawford's 7 welterweight opponents.....all but one were ranked #6 or better in the division when he fought them.
Jeff Horn (champ), Benavidez (#6), Khan (unranked), Kavaliauskas (#6), Brook (#5), Porter (#4), Avaneysan (#6).
Amir Khan being the only unranked opponent, that fight only happened because Danny Garcia and camp turned down an official offer to fight Crawford. Top Rank needed an opponent for the date they had already solidified.
-Also, of those names- 4 of them are former world champs (or current at the time of the fight). 3 of them were undefeated going into the fight. & 3 of them were mandated.

Now Let's look at Spence's welterweight opponents since Crawford came to the division.
6 opponents....2 of them were unranked. Petereson (unranked), Campos (#8), M.Garcia (unranked), Porter (champ), D.Garcia (#6), Ugas (champ). Only undefeated opponent was the 135 lb'er who came up 2 divisions (Mikey), 4 former champs (or current at the time of fight). None were mandated (or maybe Campos was, I can't remember).

The only difference in their competition is that Spence fought names that American fans recognize, but as far as opponents and rankings.....Crawford is right there with Spence, but his resume is brushed off as "cherry picking" but Spence who has avoided 4 mandatory fights since becoming a champ after beating Brook, is doing the "heavy lifting".......

Again, as a boxing fan, I see the B.S.

It's weird to look at a fight that many of the people involved of the sport are calling it a 50/50 fight, but then you look at a boxing forum to see them try to make it see like one fighter doesn't belong in the ring with the other. Both Spence fans and Crawford fans do this.......

"You can't find a single active fighter not name Canelo who is more accomplished.." That is lavishing praise.

Crawford cleared out the division at LWW. This is not in dispute. Your facts on this point are noted.

Your efforts to big up Crawford's achievements in the WW division though are not facts. His resume is not right up there with Spence. He took a belt from a weak champion in Horn as soon as he moved up... and then proceeded to seek out no other champion.

The best fighter he has faced at WW was Shawn Porter, and even then Shawn Porter was literally done from boxing as a whole as soon as the fight was over. Amir Khan and Kell Brook were right at the end of their careers and shells of what they used to be. David Avensyan is a level below. Benavidez Jr has never been the same since the leg injury (and hasn't won a fight since). Dress it up whichever way you want, but Crawford's resume since moving up has been underwhelming for a fighter of his talents.

[Monty Fisto]

Test test

[peplz]

Nice try, but Spence said in the Ugas press conference that he was joking about the 80/20 and 70/30 and said he was gonna negotiate in good faith with Crawford after he gets passed Ugas, which is exactly what he did.

You can put the blame on Haymon, but never on Spence.

Spence is the one who made this fight happen. Not Crawford, not Haymon, Spence.

Both Crawford and Haymon were full of BS.

Haymon even tried to force Spence to fight Thurman but Spence stood his ground.

I won't accept any lies told about Spence


"I told Al I want Crawford or I'm not fighting"

He said this before the Ugas fight and guess what, he did exactly what he said, refused to fight anybody if it wasn't Crawford.

"Never means never!"

He said this when Al tried to make him fight Thurman, guess, what, he didn't budge and he didn't fight Thurman.

"Everybody knows the fight I want, I want Terence Crawford. It's the fight I want, its the fight everybody want! Terence I'm coming for that mtf belt!"

Gues what? Spence is coming baby!

Yawl can trie and spit lies with your snake tongues, but the TRUTH always come out, and it's coming out on July 29th baby!

Spence wins by demolition, body snatchiny, eye snatching, and KTFO!

Yeah sure the same guy that needed to take the easy road and knockout Shawn Porter first gets all of the credit.

The guy who needs to clean up his side of the street for the next five years gets all of the credit.

The guy who went on a twenty minute rant about why he wasn’t going to fight Terence Crawford at a press conference for a fight card that he wasn’t even on deserves all of the credit for the fight happening.

Even though it required both fighters talking to each other on the phone to get this fight made all of the credit goes to the guy who did all of the things that I previously mentioned.

It would take a real fool to believe such an obvious farce. May the best man win!

[peplz]

[QUOTE=Monty Fisto;n31895034]

Your efforts to big up Crawford's achievements in the WW division though are not facts. His resume is not right up there with Spence. He took a belt from a weak champion in Horn as soon as he moved up... and then proceeded to seek out no other champion.

Errol Spence was a champion. The infamous Oklahoma City encounter happened not long after the Jeff Horn fight. It definitely looked like Crawford was seeking a fight with Errol Spence at that moment. But Spence wanted clean up his side of the street first and “take the easy road and knock Shawn Porter out first. How do you reconcile this with the statement you just made.

[peplz]

You're free to recognize his win over Jeff Horn and feel the way you do.

Most actual fans don't have him anywhere near #1.

Did you do a poll or something?

[joseph5620]

Yet, he has been paid exactly what he's demanded..... So what public are you referring to?

According to Forbes Crawford's net worth went up from $8M to $10M in the last calendar year. So, if you are worth 7-8 figures......WHY WOULD YOU ACCEPT A NO GUARANTEE contract.....especially being that EVERYONE else that Spence has fought have gotten at least that........

Y'all spend so much time trying to hate on that man that you don't realize how clueless y'all sound.....

There's a reason why THIS is the biggest match up since Floyd/Manny. Crawford isn't known due to his social media accounts (Jake Paul), or how many people who follow him (Ryan Garcia), or drama outside of the ring (Adrien Broner) or creating fake beefs to market fights (Teofimo Lopez) or Claiming everyone is avoiding him (Jaron Ennis).........Crawford's relevance in this sport is due to his results vs the opponents he faced........6x world title holder across 3 divisions. 2x Lineal Champ. 2x Fighter of the Year. ESPY Award Winner. Undisputed at 140lbs. EVERY OPPONENT he's faced in the last decade has either been stopped or at least had the ref giving them an 8 count........ You can't find a single active fighter not name Canelo who is more accomplished.........But you are pushing this notion that he's not worth what he's asking for? And YOU don't even know exactly what he's asking for.

This new wave of "boxing fans" who are actually Man Fans are weird. A man is putting his health and life on the line and is DOMINATING and to claim he isn't worth what he's asking for because you love the man he's trying to fight is laughable.

This will be Crawford's biggest stage vs Spence by far......... And for all the "options" Spence and his fans claimed he had, THIS match up is by far the biggest stage he was going to get as well........ And there's a reason for that......Both are worth the attention of the entire sport and supporters. Regardless of how you try to break down their careers. 2 of the top 5 fighters in the sport are facing off for the FIRST Undisputed Welterweight Champion in 4 belt era. And a solid claim at #1 Pound for Pound....... You can't max out any bigger than that.

Well said. It's crazy how people get indignant about Crawford negotiating for the best deal as a professional fighter is supposed to do.

100 percent correct about these man fans on this site too.

[joseph5620]

There's no terms for this fight that give unfair advantages like catchweights, rehydration clauses etc. So I don't really care as long as the fight actually happens.

We finally get to find out who the better man is out of these two.

That's all that should matter. Crawford's not going the Canelo route and demanding a rehydration clause or avoiding the best opponent in the division.

[theface07]

Tell us about it Errol. Dud never wanted the fight. He just wanted a retirement package. Crawford deliberately priced himself out of the fight. He knew Al was never going to pay him a $25 Mil guarantee. The PBC doesn't do guaranteed contracts.

How did he price himself out if the fight got made??

[crimsonfalcon07]

Does anyone know what these outrageous demands were this time? I seem to have missed the details.