Comments Thread For: Usyk's Promoter: Even if Oleksandr Got Zero, It Would Still Not Be Sufficient For Fury

[kafkod]

They still said it before the 70/30 split was even mentioned. They said it while they were still trying to set up the 50/50 deal in the middle east.

When the deal was first announced they said the location hadn't been decided yet, but all terms had been agreed by both sides and the split would be 50/50. It wasn't till 6 months later that Bob Arum started talking about Fury getting the lion's share if it happened in the UK. Frank Warren was still going along with 50/50 till Fury went on social media demanding 70% for himself.

[kafkod]

They negotiate before the fight happens the same way they were negotiating the rematch with Fury. It's very simple. Mandatories aren't forced to take the 75/25 split.

Yes Usyk took the required 25% because he wasn't worth more. Then he took less than 50% as the unified heavyweight champion against a contender.
So how is a 70/30 and 50/50 rematch deal worse than what he got against AJ?

It was his choice to back out of negotiations against Fury because he didn't want the 50/50 split in the rematch.

Literally everything you've said in this thread is wrong. Usyk didn't get less than 50% in the AJ rematch, the split was 50/50.

There are 2 very obvious reasons why he would expect to get a better rematch deal from Fury than he got from AJ.

1. He didn't have any belts at heavyweight when he negotiated that deal with AJ. He now has the IBF, WBO, WBA and Ring Magazine titles, which should give him more leverage, if the opponent is being reasonable.

2. If he beat Fury he would go into the rematch as the undefeated, undisputed world HW champion and the first 2 weight undisputed champion of the 4 belt era. Those are ATG level credentials.

[bullydean]

When the deal was first announced they said the location hadn't been decided yet, but all terms had been agreed by both sides and the split would be 50/50. It wasn't till 6 months later that Bob Arum started talking about Fury getting the lion's share if it happened in the UK. Frank Warren was still going along with 50/50 till Fury went on social media demanding 70% for himself.

Exactly so they still said it before the 70/30 split.

[bullydean]

Literally everything you've said in this thread is wrong. Usyk didn't get less than 50% in the AJ rematch, the split was 50/50.

There are 2 very obvious reasons why he would expect to get a better rematch deal from Fury than he got from AJ.

1. He didn't have any belts at heavyweight when he negotiated that deal with AJ. He now has the IBF, WBO, WBA and Ring Magazine titles, which should give him more leverage, if the opponent is being reasonable.

2. If he beat Fury he would go into the rematch as the undefeated, undisputed world HW champion and the first 2 weight undisputed champion of the 4 belt era. Those are ATG level credentials.

That's my bad about the rematch being less than 50%, but that doesn't change my point. Also if you're going to say something is wrong you should probably back it up.

If the belts meant something Usyk would have gotten more than 50%. AJ was the dominated loser with no belts so a 50/50 split makes no sense by your own logic.

Again using your own logic negotiations are made before the fight not after so 50/50 split is fair.

[kafkod]

Exactly so they still said it before the 70/30 split.

Of course they did. And your point is ... ?

[kafkod]

That's my bad about the rematch being less than 50%, but that doesn't change my point. Also if you're going to say something is wrong you should probably back it up.

If the belts meant something Usyk would have gotten more than 50%. AJ was the dominated loser with no belts so a 50/50 split makes no sense by your own logic.

Again using your own logic negotiations are made before the fight not after so 50/50 split is fair.

You do accept that the Usyk/AJ rematch split was negotiated before the first fight, when AJ had the belts, yeah?

[crimsonfalcon07]

That's my bad about the rematch being less than 50%, but that doesn't change my point. Also if you're going to say something is wrong you should probably back it up.

If the belts meant something Usyk would have gotten more than 50%. AJ was the dominated loser with no belts so a 50/50 split makes no sense by your own logic.

Again using your own logic negotiations are made before the fight not after so 50/50 split is fair.

Riddle me this, Fury super-fan...

If Usyk is only worth 30 as the undefeated unified champion of the world, and then Fury wins the first fight, why would Usyk then be worth 50 after he loses?

Because Usyk wanted 70 to the winner in the second fight. If Fury wins the first fight, under what Usyk wanted, Fury would be entitled to 70 in both fights. Instead, Fury wants to have the second fight be 50-50, when the loser will be a defeated contender, and the winner is the UNDISPUTED heavyweight champion. Why, if he's worth so much, is he turning down an extra 20%? Fury is literally throwing a tantrum over being offered more money... Unless he thinks he's going to lose...

[bullydean]

Of course they did. And your point is ... ?

My point is they didn't lie or change their plans like you said they did.

[bullydean]

You do accept that the Usyk/AJ rematch split was negotiated before the first fight, when AJ had the belts, yeah?

You do accept that AJ was the bigger draw which is why he got 50% after losing badly and being a contender?

[crimsonfalcon07]

My point is they didn't lie or change their plans like you said they did.

Did you miss the part about them lying about the Saudis? Head of Saudi boxing confirmed that Fury was asking for so much money that they'd lose money on the event even if Usyk fought for free, just like Usyk's team said weeks ago. Or the part where Fury lied about being in camp, but his own trainer said he wasn't?

Your connection to reality is tenuous at best if you believe anyone on Fury's team. They've been caught lying repeatedly during just this fight alone, and that's leaving aside whether Fury or Warren has a reputation for honesty (they don't).