Bruce Lee the Unbeatable

[hugh grant]

I think you are missing my point, would you class Delgado, Wall etc in the same league as Stone, Lewis and Lebell? The answer would have to be no. Why did Bruce Lee spar them and not the names I mentioned? You do know that Bob Wall when interviewed by George Tan said,"In a real fight I could take Bruce Lee." Check out the Tracking the Dragon lecture on Youtube. Bob Wall is also the guy who gave Albert Goldstein all the dirt for his infamous penthouse article (which is on scribd).
As for Joe Lewis's opinion of Lee, he trained and socialized with Lee over a 2 year period before their falling out, so his opinion is just as valid as anyone elses.

Whats your source for the Ed Parker comment.

Dont lie to me now silver. Bob Wall never said he could beat bruce in a real fight. If he did say that, why didnt he say it when Bruce was alive. If you are going to be fair to bruce silver you would be thinking along my lines. Give bruce the benefit of the doubt dude.
Bob Wall said bruce Lee beat him. If you want it you can check my post history. Im not going to bring up old stuff. That if you really wanted to find you could. If a million pounds was in your garden you ask me to find it for you would you?

[Squabbles94806]

I have mixed feelings about Bruce Lee. I dig his philosophy and his art, but i wasn't all on his nut sack like everyone else. Apparently, in the chinese community he was diskliked, especially in SF and OAK. I have an advantage cus i live out here and i work with a lot of old timers (chinese) who were around in the 60's and remember Bruce. A lot of people didn't like him, and they say he was challenged all the time. Sometimes he won, sometimes he lost.

[Adamantium]

I think you should rip your Tao of Bruce Lee book up. Davis Miller says lets look at the evidence of how great bruce was as a fighter was and see what we come up with. Davis then goes on about Bruces pointy chin, leg shorter than the other, skinny neck and crap like that.
Bruce lee could help how God made him. Nothing he can do about that. But we are all built differnt so we learn to fight different.
Then Davis Miller goes on to mention Kareem Abdul jabbar speaking highly of Bruce? Why didnt show great tournament fighters speaking highly of bruce instead. Davis Miller is insulting his own intelligence. You cant so blatantly go about being such a rubbish evidence finder like that. Do you think a criminal murder detective could work as poorly as Davis Miller did and get away with it.
Silversamurai i think you get my drift. Its not hard to defend bruce. Its just whether anyone would be bothered to. Bruce is a legend and the name speaks for itself. He dont need defending. But there is only so much **** anyone can take before the camels back is broken, or only so much teasing a dog will take before it bites.

The Kareem Abdul Jabbar quotes, were more about Bruce Lee as a person then about his fighting ability. Davis Miller also says that Bruce Lee was plenty wonderful as a fighter. Is Bruce Lee a legend of course he is, but does that make him a unbeatable fighter of course not, no one is unbeatable.

[Adamantium]

Dont lie to me now silver. Bob Wall never said he could beat bruce in a real fight. If he did say that, why didnt he say it when Bruce was alive. If you are going to be fair to bruce silver you would be thinking along my lines. Give bruce the benefit of the doubt dude.
Bob Wall said bruce Lee beat him. If you want it you can check my post history. Im not going to bring up old stuff. That if you really wanted to find you could. If a million pounds was in your garden you ask me to find it for you would you?

Here is George Tan talking about Bob Wall, what Wall says in interviews and what Wall says in private are too different things.

Heres the link to the Penthouse article, check out page 20:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/14666372/Bruce-Lee-Penthouse-Article

[hugh grant]

That penthouse article is hard to read and navigate. But does it say something interesting?

Silversamurai are you going to admit Bob Wall dont think he could beat bruce lee.
He said Bruce Lee beat him, in a moment of honesty and when he wants to be a gent. Bruce lee was filmed sparring with Bob Wall and Ahna Capri says in the footage bruce is making bob look not good at all. Peter Archer recalls a sparring session with bruce and said Bob was having such difficulty because of bruces sheer speed and athleticm.
DOnt you find it funny that when there are witnesses, bruce is toying with Champions? No anecdotes of how people toyed with Bruce. So with this are you sure Bob would come to the conclusion he could beat bruce? Comeon, dont try and answer me again.

[MindBat]

That penthouse article is hard to read and navigate. But does it say something interesting?

Silversamurai are you going to admit Bob Wall dont think he could beat bruce lee.
He said Bruce Lee beat him, in a moment of honesty and when he wants to be a gent. Bruce lee was filmed sparring with Bob Wall and Ahna Capri says in the footage bruce is making bob look not got at all. Peter Archer recalls a sparring session with bruce and said Bob was having such difficulty because of bruces sheer speed and athleticm.
DOnt you find it funny that when there are witnesses, bruce is toying with Champions? No anecdotes of how people toyed with Bruce. So with this are you sure Bob would come to the conclusion he could beat bruce? Comeon, dont try and answer me again.

That's very interesting to note, HG, because many accounts about Bruce, after he died, were either that he COULD be beaten or he was victorious in the various challenges he faced.

Not one account, in all these years, of how Bruce was beaten up badly and sent home to lick his wounds.

[Adamantium]

That penthouse article is hard to read and navigate. But does it say something interesting?

Silversamurai are you going to admit Bob Wall dont think he could beat bruce lee.
He said Bruce Lee beat him, in a moment of honesty and when he wants to be a gent. Bruce lee was filmed sparring with Bob Wall and Ahna Capri says in the footage bruce is making bob look not got at all. Peter Archer recalls a sparring session with bruce and said Bob was having such difficulty because of bruces sheer speed and athleticm.
DOnt you find it funny that when there are witnesses, bruce is toying with Champions? No anecdotes of how people toyed with Bruce. So with this are you sure Bob would come to the conclusion he could beat bruce? Comeon, dont try and answer me again.

Do I believe that Bob Wall could beat Lee? Of course not.The reason I brought up all this stuff about Bob Wall up is, i'm trying to show you how hard it is to judge someone, when all you have is opinions.Especially when the opinions vary, depending on if the opinion is in public or not.
Bob Wall in my opinion is not a good fighter, so im not surprised Bruce Lee toyed with him. I would of loved to see Bruce spar with my boy, Benny the Jet. A fighter who Dan Inosanto said would of been able to compete with Bruce.

You don't have to read the Penthouse article, rather just check out the vid clip I posted.

On another note, Ahna Capri, is demanding an insane amount of money for the sparring footage she filmed so it will never see the light of day. She cant sell it without the permission of the people involved and Warner Bros will have to sign off on it as well.

[Adamantium]

That's very interesting to note, HG, because many accounts about Bruce, after he died, were either that he COULD be beaten or he was victorious in the various challenges he faced.

Not one account, in all these years, of how Bruce was beaten up badly and sent home to lick his wounds.

Bruce Lee only had about 4-5 fights, none of them were against guys worth mentioning. Wok Jack Man and a couple of extras off film sets.

[MindBat]

Yes, opinions are plentiful regarding Bruce, but if one is so inclined, one can sift through those are fact filled and make sense, and those that those that have no substance or truth.

BTW, that was a good clip with George Tan, SS. I hadn't seen that one in
a few years. To my knowledge, Tan and John Little, know the behind the scenes about Bruce's life than just about anyone else. They're renowned historians.

[MindBat]

Bruce Lee only had about 4-5 fights, none of them were against guys worth mentioning. Wok Jack Man and a couple of extras off film sets.

Yes, I'm aware of that. But to think that he also trained Hollywood celebrities, many of whom shared their experiences about Bruce, one would think someone would say they witnessed Bruce getting his butt handed to him at least once. He was challenged to fights on the streets as well by strangers who didn't think he was "all that" too.

The Wong Jack Man fight was his wake up call.