Bruce Lee the Unbeatable

[Adamantium]

Yes, opinions are plentiful regarding Bruce, but if one is so inclined, one can sift through those are fact filled and make sense, and those that those that have no substance or truth.

BTW, that was a good clip with George Tan, SS. I hadn't seen that one in
a few years. To my knowledge, Tan and John Little, know the behind the scenes about Bruce's life than just about anyone else. They're renowned historians.

Tan really knows his stuff, his travelled all around the world to get info on Lee.
I don't think he has ever released any books about Lee.
John Little on the other hand comes across as a hardcore fanboy, claiming Bruce Lee was the Buddha reincarnated or some craziness.

[hugh grant]

Bruce Lee only had about 4-5 fights, none of them were against guys worth mentioning. Wok Jack Man and a couple of extras off film sets.

He beat a 2nd degree black belt yo echi, or uechi in 10 seconds as well. He beat his students as well, who were handy. He made many famouse martial artists admit they couldnt beat bruce.
So surely that counts, rather than just say he only had so amount of fights.

Look at Rickson Gracie how he calculates his 400 wins. Now if Bruce was to do that and keep tally of all the people he thought he beat we are talking 1000s here.

[Adamantium]

Yes, I'm aware of that. But to think that he also trained Hollywood celebrities, many of whom shared their experiences about Bruce, one would think someone would say they witnessed Bruce getting his butt handed to him at least once. He was challenged to fights on the streets as well by strangers who didn't think he was "all that" too.

The Wong Jack Man fight was his wake up call.

Bruce wanted to be known as the best fighter in the world, which is crazy. He practically painted a target on his head. Getting challenged all the time who needs that crap.

[Adamantium]

He beat a 2nd degree black belt yo echi, or uechi in 10 seconds as well. He beat his students as well, who were handy. He made many famouse martial artists admit they couldnt beat bruce.
So surely that counts, rather than just say he only had so amount of fights.

Look at Rickson Gracie how he calculates his 400 wins. Now if Bruce was to do that and keep tally of all the people he thought he beat we are talking 1000s here.

Where are you getting your info from, for the number of fights he had? Why isn't it enough that he was a great athlete and martial artist? Why does there have to be more than that?

[MindBat]

Tan really knows his stuff, his travelled all around the world to get info on Lee.
I don't think he has ever released any books about Lee.
John Little on the other hand comes across as a hardcore fanboy, claiming Bruce Lee was the Buddha reincarnated or some craziness.

Far from being a mere 'fanboy', John Little has/had access to the Bruce Lee Estate archives, from my understanding, to collate and organize the myriad amounts of info Bruce collected over the years, and to disseminate them in various media formats. So I've been wondering if there's much more to know about Bruce than we've been seeing. Like maybe more old film and audio footage of him.

[hugh grant]

Where are you getting your info from, for the number of fights he had? Why isn't it enough that he was a great athlete and martial artist? Why does there have to be more than that?

Well im more inclined to think how you calculated he had only 4 or 5 fights. And how you decided which one it was, that you decided to consider was a fight?

I mean when Louis delgado said he had never fought anyone who baffled him so completely and he was in complete awe whenever he fought bruce. Does that count as a win for Bruce? Or what about when Ernst lieb and Fred wren said they had never met anyone with as much fighting ability as bruce, and they didnt consider themselves a match for bruce. Could that count as a victory as well you think? Skipper Mullins said he would pick bruce in any street situation against anyone. Does that mean Bruce beat Skipper or Skipper just thinks it?

Actually, Samurai i think you have been quite fair to bruce compared to some people i have seen troll the internet so i'll leave it there for now. Nice talking to you. I dont want to inflame you as i think you are quite an honourable person.

[Adamantium]

Far from being a mere 'fanboy', John Little has/had access to the Bruce Lee Estate archives, from my understanding, to collate and organize the myriad amounts of info Bruce collected over the years, and to disseminate them in various media formats. So I've been wondering if there's much more to know about Bruce than we've been seeing. Like maybe more old film and audio footage of him.

Ahna Capri has some footage as I mentioned before, Bob Wall claims to have some stuff as well. Have you ever read any of John Little's books? That guy went of the deep end, Saint Bruce the Buddha. He was fired from his role a little while back, he obviously upset Linda Lee over something. Both Tan and Lewis say he a shady guy and he is not to be trusted.

[Adamantium]

Well im more inclined to think how you calculated he had only 4 or 5 fights. And how you decided which one it was, that you decided to consider was a fight?

I mean when Louis delgado said he had never fought anyone who baffled him so completely and he was in complete whenever he fought bruce. Does that count as a win for Bruce? Or what about when Erent lieb and Fred wren said they had never met anyone with as much fighting ability as bruce, and they didnt consider them a match for bruce. Could that count as a victory as well you think? Skipper Mullins said he would pick bruce in any street situation against anyone. Does that mean Bruce beat Skipper or Skipper just thinks it?

Actually, Samurai i think you have been quite fair to bruce compared to some people i have seen troll the internet so i'll leave it there for now. Nice talking to you. I dont want to inflame you as i think you are quite an honourable person.

Thanks for the compliment, you and Mindbat are cool as well. Although it may not seem it, but I am a fan, hopefully George Tan will get to release a book on him sometime.

Mike Stone said that Bruce Lee was way to fast to be in tournament fighting. He also said that he considers Bruce his equal, when you take into account that Stone respected no one, that in itself is a massive compliment. Joe Lewis said that Bruce Lee was the fasted person he has ever seen. Delgado says he was also in awe of Bruce, unfortunately Delgado has passed away.

Bruce and Chuck weren't a close as people think, some stuff went down behind the scenes, so you should take whatever Chuck says we a pinch of salt.

Not sure if you have read this Wong Shun Leung on Bruce Lee:
Its obvious here that health wise something was seriously going wrong with Bruce.

http://web.ukonline.co.uk/ray.d8/article13.html

[MindBat]

Ahna Capri has some footage as I mentioned before, Bob Wall claims to have some stuff as well. Have you ever read any of John Little's books? That guy went of the deep end, Saint Bruce the Buddha. He was fired from his role a little while back, he obviously upset Linda Lee over something. Both Tan and Lewis say he a shady guy and he is not to be trusted.

I've read and skimmed through John's books and didn't find anything wild and wacky, just very informative and well written. He's a prolific writer who contributed articles to the top mens' health magazines.

I wasn't aware he caused a commotion and had a fallout with Linda.

[Adamantium]

I've read and skimmed through John's books and didn't find anything wild and wacky, just very informative and well written. He's a prolific writer who contributed articles to the top mens' health magazines.

I wasn't aware he caused a commotion and had a fallout with Linda.

When Little is writing abiut Bruce Lees martial art and training he is on solid ground, its when he starts talking about Bruce the man, that he is on shaky ground.
For example moving from Canada to live in the same block as Linda Lee. Naming his son, Brandon. Claiming Bruce Lee was his friend, they never met, claiming to be mystically chosen by Lee to be his official spokeperson. He is too close to the subject, to be objective. For example, Bruce Lee's notes were never meant for publication and Bruce Lee never claimed to be a philosopher. His philosophy was him reworking others philosophical insights into a martial arts framework. John Little claims that all of Bruce Lee's philosophy is completely original and entirely the work of Bruce Lee and the original writers get no credit. He claims that Bruce Lee had reached a stage of enlightenment, the one thing Bruce Lee didn't have was inner peace, look at how he treated his poor wife.
On the other hand you have writers like Tom Bleeker who is very anti Bruce Lee and pratically writes a whole book about him, without saying one positive thing about him.