Bruce Lee the Unbeatable

[Adamantium]

Why can't you people just let this thread die already. Joe Lewis on numerous occassions said that Bruce Lee was more or less an untested fighter--he had all the physical attributes of knowledge, skill, but what was never truly tested in the ring. However, Joe Lewis has commented that Bruce Lee would've likely dominated in competitions like Karate circuits had Bl joined. Also, he didn't hesistate to give compliments that Bruce Lee knew the fighting game inside and out, and has reiterated this through out the years and most recently in his book. He even suggests that JKD was a forerunner of kickboxing.

One the sidenote--most of Bruce Lee's training gravitated towards body, head attacks and never really used cut kicks seen in K1 or Muay Thai because most people wear shoes--so it would've been pointless other than what was referred to Joe Lewis in his book as obstruction kicks to keep opponents at a distance when Bruce Lee was training Lewis in the art of distancing.

I completely agree with everything you said here. Joe has complimented Bruce Lee, many times over the years, saying that he was his teacher and friend. People here seem to think im knocking Lee but im not, im just saying as a fighter he was untested, so it makes no sense to say he was unbeatable.
I just think that the opinions of Bruce Lee's peers are more valid, than those of the former Lee students, who make a lot of money of the whole, Bruce Lee superman image.

[rao007]

The Dan Lee story was told to both Davis Miller and George Tan by Dan Inosanto, who would have no reason to lie.
So because Bruce Lee says to Joe Lewis," im the best," that means its true?
How do you know Joe Lewis even took Bruce Lee's comments seriously?
Saying your the best and proving it are two whole different things.
You are going to have to quote me the interview so I can check it out.
My question to you is this, why did Bruce Lee and Joe Lewis fall out?

This is not to prop up Bruce Lee's name. I know a fair amount to conclude where BL's skills are compared with others because I've done enough research on Bruce Lee to last a lifetime. Bought a lot of books magainzes, etc.

But,

Didn't Inosanto also say that Bruce Lee was playing around with Dan Lee keeping his hands down showboating but when Dan actually hit Bruce Lee, he became serious and at the end broke Dan's lee nose. Inosanto added that even after he took it seriously with Dan, Bruce Lee was still holding back on him.

[Adamantium]

I will have to tell you to not speak if you don't read things when positive things are said about Bruce, but somehow you can find the one negative thing said about Bruce, when a million great extraordinary things have been quoted about Bruce.

Due to the fact that there is no footage of him fighting or sparring, top fighters, we have no choice but to go by what people say about him. If you want the have a well balanced view of the man, you have to take the negative things, as well as the positive things.
I'm saying that he wasn't unbeatable, so of course I have to focus on the less than positive things said about him. If this was a thread about how Bruce Lee has influenced me over the years, then I would be much more positive.

[Adamantium]

This is not to prop up Bruce Lee's name. I know a fair amount to conclude where BL's skills are compared with others because I've done enough research on Bruce Lee to last a lifetime. Bought a lot of books magainzes, etc.

But,

Didn't Inosanto also say that Bruce Lee was playing around with Dan Lee keeping his hands down showboating but when Dan actually hit Bruce Lee, he became serious and at the end broke Dan's lee nose. Inosanto added that even after he took it seriously with Dan, Bruce Lee was still holding back on him.

I left out the whole Bruce Lee, beating the crap of out of Dan Lee because it really illustrates the more unpleasant side of his personality. If you are a teacher and your students progress enough to be able to hit you, it should please you, not give you a reason to beat them up.

[hugh grant]

Due to the fact that there is no footage of him fighting or sparring, top fighters, we have no choice but to go by what people say about him. If you want the have a well balanced view of the man, you have to take the negative things, as well as the positive things.
I'm saying that he wasn't unbeatable, so of course I have to focus on the less than positive things said about him. If this was a thread about how Bruce Lee has influenced me over the years, then I would be much more positive.

Its the worst secret in the world that bruce was a ****y, or rather should i say confident, fearless individual. He put down tournaments and stuff and people didnt tell bruce to shut up because they knew what he could do, and all that jazz.
Where in print when lee was alive is there anyone talking rubbish about bruce or challenging him. Ed Parker even admitted Bruce lee threw down a challenge to the world and noone took him up on his offer.

Silversamurai, yes we havent got any footage of him in tournaments so we have to listen to what people say about him. So when Bob Wall, Louis Delgado, Ernst Lieb, Fred Wren said bruce kicked their asses why dont you lissten? But you listen when Joe says he didnt spar with Bruce!!!!!!! If he didnt spar with Bruce, why is what he says important??????? I feel im trying to get through to a brick wall sometimes!

Im saying you quoting Joe Lewis is similar to you finding a needle in a haystack, or winning the lottery.
Much more easier to find people saying great things about bruce than the negative. As ive proved there is no negative **** in print when Lee was alive. Probably because you wouldnt want bruce lee to read it.

[gopi11]

jean claude van damme should join the ufc.

he can do splits.

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JCVD can do more than splits pink! LMAO!!!

[gopi11]

Bruce Lee's digested food didn't become waste...... it became fuel to make him even more awesome.

Hmmm, interesting... All along I thought it was Bill Brasky and not Bruce Lee!

[Adamantium]

Its the worst secret in the world that bruce was a ****y, or rather should i say confident, fearless individual. He put down tournaments and stuff and people didnt tell bruce to shut up because they knew what he could do, and all that jazz.
Where in print when lee was alive is there anyone talking rubbish about bruce or challenging him. Ed Parker even admitted Bruce lee threw down a challenge to the world and noone took him up on his offer.

Silversamurai, yes we haven't got any footage of him in tournaments so we have to listen to what people say about him. So whenBob Wall, Louis Delgado, Ernst Lieb, Fred Wren said Bruce kicked their asses why don't you lissten? But you listen when Joe says he didn't spar with Bruce!!!!!!! If he didnt spar with Bruce, why is what he says important???????I feel im trying to get through to a brick wall sometimes!

Im saying you quoting Joe Lewis is similar to you finding a needle in a haystack, or winning the lottery.
Much more easier to find people saying great things about bruce than the negative. As ive proved there is no negative **** in print when Lee was alive. Probably because you wouldnt want bruce lee to read it.

I think you are missing my point, would you class Delgado, Wall etc in the same league as Stone, Lewis and Lebell? The answer would have to be no. Why did Bruce Lee spar them and not the names I mentioned? You do know that Bob Wall when interviewed by George Tan said,"In a real fight I could take Bruce Lee." Check out the Tracking the Dragon lecture on Youtube. Bob Wall is also the guy who gave Albert Goldstein all the dirt for his infamous penthouse article (which is on scribd).
As for Joe Lewis's opinion of Lee, he trained and socialized with Lee over a 2 year period before their falling out, so his opinion is just as valid as anyone elses.

In no way have I said that Bruce Lee wasn't a great Martial artist. And if you look at my earlier posts I quote the compliments from both Stone and Lewis.
You should check out the article written by Bruce Lee's main Wing Chun teacher Wong Shun Leung its online.
Whats your source for the Ed Parker comment.
When Ed was asked by Tom Bleecker, who he fought would win in a fight between Lee and Lewis he said Lewis.

[hugh grant]

Due to the fact that there is no footage of him fighting or sparring, top fighters, we have no choice but to go by what people say about him. If you want the have a well balanced view of the man, you have to take the negative things, as well as the positive things.
I'm saying that he wasn't unbeatable, so of course I have to focus on the less than positive things said about him. If this was a thread about how Bruce Lee has influenced me over the years, then I would be much more positive.

I think you should rip your Tao of Bruce Lee book up. Davis Miller says lets look at the evidence of how great bruce was as a fighter was and see what we come up with. Davis then goes on about Bruces pointy chin, leg shorter than the other, skinny neck and crap like that.
Bruce lee couldnt help how God made him. Nothing he can do about that. But we are all built differnt so we learn to fight different.
Then Davis Miller goes on to mention Kareem Abdul jabbar speaking highly of Bruce? Why didnt show great tournament fighters speaking highly of bruce instead. Davis Miller is insulting his own intelligence. You cant so blatantly go about being such a rubbish evidence finder like that. Do you think a criminal murder detective could work as poorly as Davis Miller did and get away with it.
Silversamurai i think you get my drift. Its not hard to defend bruce. Its just whether anyone would be bothered to. Bruce is a legend and the name speaks for itself. He dont need defending. But there is only so much **** anyone can take before the camels back is broken, or only so much teasing a dog will take before it bites.

[rao007]

I think you are missing my point, would you class Delgado, Wall etc in the same league as Stone, Lewis and Lebell? The answer would have to be no. Why did Bruce Lee spar them and not the names I mentioned? You do know that Bob Wall when interviewed by George Tan said,"In a real fight I could take Bruce Lee." Check out the Tracking the Dragon lecture on Youtube. Bob Wall is also the guy who gave Albert Goldstein all the dirt for his infamous penthouse article (which is on scribd).
As for Joe Lewis's opinion of Lee, he trained and socialized with Lee over a 2 year period before their falling out, so his opinion is just as valid as anyone elses.

In no way have I said that Bruce Lee wasn't a great Martial artist. And if you look at my earlier posts I quote the compliments from both Stone and Lewis.
You should check out the article written by Bruce Lee's main Wing Chun teacher Wong Shun Leung its online.
Whats your source for the Ed Parker comment.

What's that about?

Honestly, why are guys making comparison about people whose weights differ by atleast 40/50lbs? What would Bruce Lee get from sparring 200lbs guys? There's no point!!!