Comments Thread For: Showtime Head on Crawford's 'Transparency' Demands: Absolutely Baffling; Got to Have Certain Level of Trust

[OnePunch]

Aye, you're about as in the know as I am.

I just took what Rachel Donaire said, someone who is closer to the real contracts and knows how the business works said.

Essentially, Crawford would have to fork over money to be a co-promoter of the event to get that book access. That's what it boils down to, whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or agrees or not really.

That's not actually true. The "upfront" expenses are really not that much in these situations, and fighters are usually waiting for most of their PPV revenue, so a promotion like Spence-Crawford probably wouldnt spend over $5-6 million in advance expenses, if even that much. All the marketing expenses, travel/accomodations, undercard purses, venue expenses, etc would all get paid in advance, or immediately after the fight, but not the entire Spence and Crawford purses, because they had no guaranteed purses. Maybe the fine print says they get a million or 2 on fight night to pay their teams / management, but the bulk of it wouldnt be for weeks, maybe months.

And very few co-promotions are 50-50. In most every case, the lead promoter puts up the advance money, collects the revenue, pays themselves back for whatever expenses were outlayed, and then the leftover money (profit) is paid out based on whatever the co-promotion split was.

[Bronx2245]

I stated the same thing a few weeks ago in a Crawford thread and was called ignorant and a liar, don't worry, they don't see anything that breaks down their false narratives.

I just post the articles, to refresh their memories. However, even after they see it, there's always a "yeah but..."

[SplitSecond]

I thought both parties agreed to the terms, then Crawford claimed he wanted "transparency". Next thing we know, Bud has a fight set up with Avanesyan. That should tell you that he wasn't serious about fighting Spence. Who negotiates two fights at the same time? As for Espinoza, he's the head of the network that would have broadcast the fight. He may not be saying what you want to hear, but what if it's the truth?

Guy. You’re in a thread where a guy who admits to being partial for team PBC is basically telling you Crawford was right when he said they were stalling and refusing him transparency/write off approvals until he walked and started negotiating for Avanesyan. And you’re not even putting two and two together to see Spence actually agreed to this, and if what Crawford says is true, Spence and co. Only did so to run game on guys like you.

You saw Spencer dance around this right

[Bullrider]

I'm not really into this back and forth blame game, but what I can't understand is why they spent that much time accomplishing nothing. Here's one guy who's itching to go back in the ring because he's probably the type who gets bored easily sitting around doing nothing. And it's been a while since his last fight. All he wanted was a date, primarily. Then November was floated around.

Spence's last fight with Ugas was in April 16 of last year, 2022. Assuming the negotiations started in May, which is not far-fetched. It could have been much early. So May, June, July, August, September... Oh man, what were they doing with all those hours, days, weeks, months? Don't you agree you can work out something in just one week? Or know whether it can be made or not, so everyone can move on?

[P4P Forever]

I'm not really into this back and forth blame game, but what I can't understand is why they spent that much time accomplishing nothing. Here's one guy who's itching to go back in the ring because he's probably the type who gets bored easily sitting around doing nothing. And it's been a while since his last fight. All he wanted was a date, primarily. Then November was floated around.

Spence's last fight with Ugas was in April 16 of last year, 2022. Assuming the negotiations started in May, which is not far-fetched. It could have been much early. So May, June, July, August, September... Oh man, what were they doing with all those hours, days, weeks, months? Don't you agree you can work out something in just one week? Or know whether it can be made or not, so everyone can move on?

That just it nothing. Nothing at all. PBC keep putting out updates saying there still working on it, to make it appear that way all the while nothing. I doubt PBC or Spence ppl actually wanted this fight in the first place. So they made it seem like they were working on it. Is Crawford really supposed to follow Spence up to 154 after this, please. Crawford started out st 135. Spence running away from all the big fights at 147 you really think he's returning? I doubt it. Just another example of fighters that won't the the safenet of PBC. This is a clear example. Forget PBC from here on in unless you like ******* babies cowards then PBC perfect for you

[brettWall]

...but what I can't understand is why they spent that much time accomplishing nothing...
..Oh man, what were they doing with all those hours, days, weeks, months?

Only Bud Crawford would be willing to provide any answer to that, truthfully or not. You can't get anything out of the PBC mystery house. Even insider Coppinger couldn't get any detail other than the topic of guarantee and transparency, which is worth one day of talking to the phone in one hour.

Even Espinoza noticed the crawling pace of the negotiations when he said the other day, “So, in order for this to be a productive thing moving forward, there’s got to be a different way of going about it than sitting there and going an inch at a time over months and months.”

It sounded like he's about to throw PBC folks under the bus, but quickly changed his tune back to blaming Crawford with this new article.

[tomhawq]

This transparency thing is becoming comedic to me. Crawford asking for transparency to a guy who hids himself in the dark and won't even show up in boxing events. Transparency would be the last thing uncle Al would be willing to provide.

[MexicanFistology]

Lmao yeah it's Crawfords fault. That's why Spencer is fighting thurman at a higher weight class

Yep technically it is. Crawford started fighting at lower weight classes and he can be at welterweight comfortably for the rest of his career. Errol Spence started at 147 and hasn’t moved up because he wants to unify all the belts at 147 but he can’t do that because Crawford thinks he’s bigger than what he actually is and keeps stalling the fight. So yes, Spence if fighting a ex world champion at a higher weight class because he needs to fill up his body and most importantly stay active.

[MexicanFistology]

we need clarity on the transparency claims

imagine some boxer demanded full transparency & control over oscar, his face would be priceless, he would immediately think they want to know how much coke hes sniffing

Lmao hahahahahah

[MexicanFistology]

Anytime the entire team (including Showtime sports head) has to sway the people regarding a deal in which the man who publicly accepted 35% is somehow the hold up .. forget it, this is a common sense situation. A man who had minimal issue getting fights at 35 & 40 is now suddenly hard to make fights with at WW? Ok .. TC is being blackballed period.

The whole point and dilemma here is Terrence Crawford thinks he’s bigger than what he actually is. He doesn’t sell, he barely sells in his own hometown of omaha. If anything he deserves a 20% to Errol 80% , simply because Errol sells at least in Dallas, he breaks audience records. The numbers are there