Comments Thread For: Showtime Head on Crawford's 'Transparency' Demands: Absolutely Baffling; Got to Have Certain Level of Trust

[Str8.2.Da.Point]

B side accepts the offers he doesn’t make demands.

Crawford loses to much money for promoters to try and pull a boss move on Al Haymon.

Bud isn’t that guy.

You clearly know nothing about the sport...... You are trying to quote bull**** that you got from some other ignorant individual who knows nothing.

B side doesn't just "accept" ****..... Otherwise there would be no such thing as "negotiations" in this sport.

And Crawford is way too accomplished to be considered someone's "B Side" as if he is some chump contender. Put some respect on his name. 6 world titles across 3 divisions. 14 title defenses. Former Undisputed. 2x Fighter of the Year. One of only 3 fighters to ever win an ESPY Award......You clowns sound ****** saying Crawford should just "accept" what is given to him.

And that B.S. that he loses money sounds dumb for the fact that even today.....Bob Arum still hopes to work with Crawford again...... What smart business man wants to continue to work with a fighter who lost enough money for him to "build a condo" after that fighter has already ended their contract and has taken him to court over money owed. Make it make sense. The problem is, Bob was marketing him with minimum effort and expecting maximum profit. Even in the pandemic Arum wanted his fighters to take a pay cut. Crawford said out the gate that he wasn't doing that. If anyone should be taking a pay cut it should be the promoters....not the mfers putting their lives on the line for the entertainment of a bunch of strangers.

[Bullrider]

If you can't find a way to make the fight happen, why even talk about it? There are lots of fighters in your stable, why not focus on those? Let the sport move on.

[Bronx2245]

You can talk around this fight all you want. Everyone see right thru it. You back PBC regardless of how pathetic they are that's on you. Like some lost Cheerleader! Spence is scared **** of Crawford and everyone knows it.
Spence so so scared he's now fight Thurman at 154 lol Thurman (chuckle )!!!
154 running away from his own division 147! Fighting a guy he said he'd never fight and at 154.
That's weak AF. Litterly running to 154 away from Bud what a ***** ass ***** your backing. Bud started at what 135 what Spence start at? What is Bud still to dangerous at 147 old Bud Al and PBC are so ****in weak PBC= ***** ***** coward

You assume Spence is running from Crawford, however I believe it's Boots! You are right, Bud has moved up from 135, and that's natural, because he got older. So why is not natural for Spence to go to 154, after all these years at 147? He was fighting at 152 in the amateurs! Everything is not about PBC. Like I said, why wouldn't Bud have made a precondition for his extension, to get the Pacquiao fight, while he was at TR? That's just insane! Please explain that!

Terence Crawford: Manny Pacquiao Must Fight Me at 140!
July 24, 2016

Crawford has no problem with facing Pacquiao but cautions that - "It will be at 140."

"If Bob Arum wants that fight and my coaches want that fight, that's something we'll talk about later. I let my coaches handle that. I am a fighter and I will fight anybody. I'm happy and I'm about to go on vacation. We not worried about Manny Pacquiao right now."

https://www.boxingscene.com/terence-...me-140--107021

Arum: Pacquiao Rejected Crawford Over 140 Weight Demand
August 16, 2016

According to Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, the main motivation for Manny Pacquiao's decision to select Jessie Vargas over Terence Crawford was the weight.

Crawford, following last month's victory over Viktor Postol to unify the WBC/WBO junior welterweight titles, made it clear that Pacquiao would have to moved down in weight to face him at 140-pounds.

Arum says Pacquiao had concerns with making that weight limit and elected to fight at 147-pounds against Vargas, who holds the World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight championship.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pac...demand--107756

So you see, that had nothing to do with PBC, or Al Haymon! That's just Bud being Bud! I think he's SUPER talented, but he's weird as f--k! You moved up for Horn, but not Pacquiao?

[P4P Forever]

You assume Spence is running from Crawford, however I believe it's Boots! You are right, Bud has moved up from 135, and that's natural, because he got older. So why is not natural for Spence to go to 154, after all these years at 147? He was fighting at 152 in the amateurs! Everything is not about PBC. Like I said, why wouldn't Bud have made a precondition for his extension, to get the Pacquiao fight, while he was at TR? That's just insane! Please explain that!

Terence Crawford: Manny Pacquiao Must Fight Me at 140!
July 24, 2016

Crawford has no problem with facing Pacquiao but cautions that - "It will be at 140."

"If Bob Arum wants that fight and my coaches want that fight, that's something we'll talk about later. I let my coaches handle that. I am a fighter and I will fight anybody. I'm happy and I'm about to go on vacation. We not worried about Manny Pacquiao right now."

https://www.boxingscene.com/terence-...me-140--107021

Arum: Pacquiao Rejected Crawford Over 140 Weight Demand
August 16, 2016

According to Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, the main motivation for Manny Pacquiao's decision to select Jessie Vargas over Terence Crawford was the weight.

Crawford, following last month's victory over Viktor Postol to unify the WBC/WBO junior welterweight titles, made it clear that Pacquiao would have to moved down in weight to face him at 140-pounds.

Arum says Pacquiao had concerns with making that weight limit and elected to fight at 147-pounds against Vargas, who holds the World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight championship.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pac...demand--107756

So you see, that had nothing to do with PBC, or Al Haymon! That's just Bud being Bud! I think he's SUPER talented, but he's weird as f--k! You moved up for Horn, but not Pacquiao?

I think Spence started at 154 and moved down to 147 after a few fights to begin his career. Im saying Spence is scared of Crawford cus instead of fighting Crawford he sat on the sidelines and watch Crawford fight for blk prime. Crawford left TR to try to make the Spence fight for many many months. Spence said Crawford was next. Crawford took 35% low percent for the fight. Spence and Espinoza and PBC we're ****ing Crawford over so bad negotiations wise he said no more after it went nio where for months. So Spence fight Thurman the weakest opportunity available to him and a guy he said he'd never fight.nobody cares one bit about this fight. Nobody except PBC. If Spence fought anyone other then Boots Ortiz or Crawford vhes a scared punk plain and simple think they call it being a coward. So he go for Thurman but at 154 where there's no title? Not to mention his friend and stable mate has all the belts at 154. Yes I always believe Spence could fight at 154. He going there cus he's running away from his own division. Why cus he's scared ****e BX 2245 we both know it. I agree he doesn't want Boots or Crawford fought he want ortiz.its a ***** move and loses credibility in my eye he just lowered himself so I don't see as a top hungry fight anymore i..e. not relevant in the sport anymore. He not looking for top competition no will to take chances any more oh well he not the first and won't be the last. I'll leave it at that. He simply trying to age out and he ow trying use weight advantage over Crawford cus he and his ppl think Crawford to dangerous at this point at 147 for Spence and there right. Trying to bring Crawford up from 135 up to 154. I lost respect for Spence after this as well as pbc they block more fights then they make offten weak match ups

[QballLobo]

You clearly know nothing about the sport...... You are trying to quote bull**** that you got from some other ignorant individual who knows nothing.

B side doesn't just "accept" ****..... Otherwise there would be no such thing as "negotiations" in this sport.

And Crawford is way too accomplished to be considered someone's "B Side" as if he is some chump contender. Put some respect on his name. 6 world titles across 3 divisions. 14 title defenses. Former Undisputed. 2x Fighter of the Year. One of only 3 fighters to ever win an ESPY Award......You clowns sound ****** saying Crawford should just "accept" what is given to him.

And that B.S. that he loses money sounds dumb for the fact that even today.....Bob Arum still hopes to work with Crawford again...... What smart business man wants to continue to work with a fighter who lost enough money for him to "build a condo" after that fighter has already ended their contract and has taken him to court over money owed. Make it make sense. The problem is, Bob was marketing him with minimum effort and expecting maximum profit. Even in the pandemic Arum wanted his fighters to take a pay cut. Crawford said out the gate that he wasn't doing that. If anyone should be taking a pay cut it should be the promoters....not the mfers putting their lives on the line for the entertainment of a bunch of strangers.

B side is all about the business side. Who brings the money. Bud hasn’t shown he can be a draw that brings in the cash. Arum lost money on him for years and I’m sure he wants to work with a guy that called him a racist and is suing him again.

Bud tried to call his own shot and failed. If he made made $10 million for his last fight that was a huge bomb. At $39.99 it would have had to have sold $250k just to cover his purse. Didn’t even do half of that. Doesn’t even take into account paying other fighters and cost to put on the fight. Guy isn’t a draw, period.

It’s not what you make it’s what you bring back. Bud hasn’t had a profitable fight on PPV yet.

And let’s face it his run at Welterweight has been mediocre at best. No hopers and well past their prime guys like Khan, Brook, and Porter.

So when Haymon tells him that if the fight does well they both get paid but he has to minimize his risk because Bud hasn’t shown he can bring in big money then Bud has no one to blame but himself. He’s not in a position to make demands.

[P4P Forever]

B side is all about the business side. Who brings the money. Bud hasn’t shown he can be a draw that brings in the cash. Arum lost money on him for years and I’m sure he wants to work with a guy that called him a racist and is suing him again.

Bud tried to call his own shot and failed. If he made made $10 million for his last fight that was a huge bomb. At $39.99 it would have had to have sold $250k just to cover his purse. Didn’t even do half of that. Doesn’t even take into account paying other fighters and cost to put on the fight. Guy isn’t a draw, period.

It’s not what you make it’s what you bring back. Bud hasn’t had a profitable fight on PPV yet.

And let’s face it his run at Welterweight has been mediocre at best. No hopers and well past their prime guys like Khan, Brook, and Porter.

So when Haymon tells him that if the fight does well they both get paid but he has to minimize his risk because Bud hasn’t shown he can bring in big money then Bud has no one to blame but himself. He’s not in a position to make demands.

He stopped Porter who gave Spence life or death fight and retired him. Spence scared of of everyone at 147 he fighting the weakest option available a guy he said he'd never fight at 154. He's running away from his own division guess that makes him the A side smhhhh coward

[Smash]

we need clarity on the transparency claims

imagine some boxer demanded full transparency & control over oscar, his face would be priceless, he would immediately think they want to know how much coke hes sniffing

[Bronx2245]

I think Spence started at 154 and moved down to 147 after a few fights to begin his career. Im saying Spence is scared of Crawford cus instead of fighting Crawford he sat on the sidelines and watch Crawford fight for blk prime. Crawford left TR to try to make the Spence fight for many many months. Spence said Crawford was next. Crawford took 35% low percent for the fight. Spence and Espinoza and PBC we're ****ing Crawford over so bad negotiations wise he said no more after it went nio where for months. So Spence fight Thurman the weakest opportunity available to him and a guy he said he'd never fight.nobody cares one bit about this fight. Nobody except PBC. If Spence fought anyone other then Boots Ortiz or Crawford vhes a scared punk plain and simple think they call it being a coward. So he go for Thurman but at 154 where there's no title? Not to mention his friend and stable mate has all the belts at 154. Yes I always believe Spence could fight at 154. He going there cus he's running away from his own division. Why cus he's scared ****e BX 2245 we both know it. I agree he doesn't want Boots or Crawford fought he want ortiz.its a ***** move and loses credibility in my eye he just lowered himself so I don't see as a top hungry fight anymore i..e. not relevant in the sport anymore. He not looking for top competition no will to take chances any more oh well he not the first and won't be the last. I'll leave it at that. He simply trying to age out and he ow trying use weight advantage over Crawford cus he and his ppl think Crawford to dangerous at this point at 147 for Spence and there right. Trying to bring Crawford up from 135 up to 154. I lost respect for Spence after this as well as pbc they block more fights then they make offten weak match ups

You have your opinions, and I have mine. I don't think Spence is afraid of Crawford, because he beat the best of his division to earn 3 titles! Crawford beat Jeff Horn! I am losing respect for Spence, not because of Crawford, but because he's treating Boots Ennis, just like Thurman treated him! Crawford is just a weird cat to me! How do you f--k up Pacquiao, and now Spence? 2 Legacy building fights, and you're gonna miss both of them? That's insane! I wish him luck with BLK Prime, I really do! I hope he cashes out and lives a good life! However, I think he's going to look back, when he's around 50 years old, and wish he had done whatever he could, to fight Pacquiao and Errol Spence! He could change the narrative by fighting Boots and Vergil @ 147! Beating both YGs at 147 @ 35-36 years old would definitely gain my respect! Horn, Kava, Avanesyan, Khan, Brook, Porter, is not getting it done!!!

[F l i c k e r]

Exactly. It is unreasonable. He wants to just show up, get his money, and have access to it all? Crawford has been babied so long that he hasn't a clue about real business.

Like Rachel Donaire said and now Showtime saying, it was a demand that would never happen.

Unless, as Rachel Donaire said, Crawford put up 10m of his own money to become co-promoter of the event, secure a venue for the event etc. Only THEN would Crawford be able to say "I want to see the books".

But this dude really made demand that can only be seen as a method to weasel his way out of fighting. An egregious demand that was always going to cause the fight not to happen.

Nonsense out of Crawford man. Complete and utter nonsense.

[QballLobo]

He stopped Porter who gave Spence life or death fight and retired him. Spence scared of of everyone at 147 he fighting the weakest option available a guy he said he'd never fight at 154. He's running away from his own division guess that makes him the A side smhhhh coward

He stopped an older Porter that had been off a long layoff and was just above a gatekeeper in his best days.
The fact that Bud fans and groupies have to hype up that win tells you everything you need to know about his run at Welterweight.
Maybe Bud shouldn’t have hid behind Arum and Top Rank all those years and taken fights that would have raised his profile. Now he’s 35+ with no big wins the last 7-8 years. Weak.