Comments Thread For: Showtime Head on Crawford's 'Transparency' Demands: Absolutely Baffling; Got to Have Certain Level of Trust

[P4P Forever]

You have your opinions, and I have mine. I don't think Spence is afraid of Crawford, because he beat the best of his division to earn 3 titles! Crawford beat Jeff Horn! I am losing respect for Spence, not because of Crawford, but because he's treating Boots Ennis, just like Thurman treated him! Crawford is just a weird cat to me! How do you f--k up Pacquiao, and now Spence? 2 Legacy building fights, and you're gonna miss both of them? That's insane! I wish him luck with BLK Prime, I really do! I hope he cashes out and lives a good life! However, I think he's going to look back, when he's around 50 years old, and wish he had done whatever he could, to fight Pacquiao and Errol Spence! He could change the narrative by fighting Boots and Vergil @ 147! Beating both YGs at 147 @ 35-36 years old would definitely gain my respect! Horn, Kava, Avanesyan, Khan, Brook, Porter, is not getting it done!!!

Id llike to see Crawford fight Boots Ortiz or Spence. I believe the Spence fight is never gonna happen. So he should fight Boots or Ortiz. His resume is what it is. Its not like he was avoiding anyone thus far. Fighters were avoiding him. Manny wanted a large purse for Crawford if I remember correctly I believe Bud would have beaten Manny but Bob's had issues make fights for Manny at times. I'm not saying Spence is is actually scared to step in the ring with Crawford but his ppl don't want it and Spence fight Thruman at 154 seriously come off as cowardly. Even if it Boots and Ortiz he running from as well. Let see who Crawford chooses next?

[P4P Forever]

He stopped an older Porter that had been off a long layoff and was just above a gatekeeper in his best days.
The fact that Bud fans and groupies have to hype up that win tells you everything you need to know about his run at Welterweight.
Maybe Bud shouldn’t have hid behind Arum and Top Rank all those years and taken fights that would have raised his profile. Now he’s 35+ with no big wins the last 7-8 years. Weak.

That why Spence fought him early and barely got past porter cus he a gate keeper? Get real you got no credibility. Just a lost cheerleader for PBC Spence. Your guys running from his own division to fight a has been that he said he never fight at a higher weight 154 for no belts. Running scared plain and simple

[SUBZER0ED]

Crawford knew his percentage and agreed to it. For him to come back and say he wants to know how much is spent on what, when and why, and he gets to approve or disapprove it is ridiculous. He was looking for an out and he got it.

[SplitSecond]

Crawford knew his percentage and agreed to it. For him to come back and say he wants to know how much is spent on what, when and why, and he gets to approve or disapprove it is ridiculous. He was looking for an out and he got it.

I thought Spence agreed to everything?

There’s nothing wrong with what Crawford was asking for. Espinoza instead of being a little rat should be presenting himself and showtime as the arbiter. But he’s more preoccupied with acting the gimp for Al.

[QballLobo]

That why Spence fought him early and barely got past porter cus he a gate keeper? Get real you got no credibility. Just a lost cheerleader for PBC Spence. Your guys running from his own division to fight a has been that he said he never fight at a higher weight 154 for no belts. Running scared plain and simple

Hardly a PBC fanboy. Check my signature to see who I ride with.

I wouldn’t call that a life or death fight between Spence and Porter. Closer than people thought but Spence got the knockdown and the outcome wasn’t in doubt by the end. Porter at his best was just above a gatekeeper. Beat some guys he was supposed to but lost when he stepped up. Crawford should have moved past those guys years ago yet at 34 his fans are trying to hype a guy who had one foot into retirement and a year plus layoff as some great win.

Spence isn’t some world beater but he has 3 titles and overall a better resume at 147. Bud has the weakest WW title he didn’t even beat a current champ to get.

Point is there is 0 doubt who the A side is when it comes to this fight. If Crawford was that guy he would take the offer, beat Spence’s ass then call his own shots. He’s not that guy.

[Bronx2245]

Id llike to see Crawford fight Boots Ortiz or Spence. I believe the Spence fight is never gonna happen. So he should fight Boots or Ortiz. His resume is what it is. Its not like he was avoiding anyone thus far. Fighters were avoiding him. Manny wanted a large purse for Crawford if I remember correctly I believe Bud would have beaten Manny but Bob's had issues make fights for Manny at times. I'm not saying Spence is is actually scared to step in the ring with Crawford but his ppl don't want it and Spence fight Thruman at 154 seriously come off as cowardly. Even if it Boots and Ortiz he running from as well. Let see who Crawford chooses next?

And so does Crawford vs. Avanesyan!!!

[SplitSecond]

Exactly. It is unreasonable. He wants to just show up, get his money, and have access to it all? Crawford has been babied so long that he hasn't a clue about real business.

Like Rachel Donaire said and now Showtime saying, it was a demand that would never happen.

Unless, as Rachel Donaire said, Crawford put up 10m of his own money to become co-promoter of the event, secure a venue for the event etc. Only THEN would Crawford be able to say "I want to see the books".

But this dude really made demand that can only be seen as a method to weasel his way out of fighting. An egregious demand that was always going to cause the fight not to happen.

Nonsense out of Crawford man. Complete and utter nonsense.

Why would Crawford put up 10mil to promote a fight that at best he makes 15mil? What’s some realistic numbers for this fight, lets’ say 400k ppv buys at $79.99 and a $10mil gate, and let’s exclude the Showtime (~wide range) and the Site’s percentage cut (~25%?) for now.

400k x 80 (rounded) = 32mil
32mil + 10mil = 42mil
42 x .35 = 14mil.

So if this fight sells 400k PPVs and does $10mil at the gate, after Crawford puts down 10mil for promotion, camp expenses, Showtime’s cut, Vegas’ cut, he’s sure to take home around, maybe, possibly, 2mil? I suppose with a good international and sponsorship deals he can pump that number up a bit, to maybe 3-4mil?

Does any of this make sense to you?

[Rebelrbg]

You assume Spence is running from Crawford, however I believe it's Boots! You are right, Bud has moved up from 135, and that's natural, because he got older. So why is not natural for Spence to go to 154, after all these years at 147? He was fighting at 152 in the amateurs! Everything is not about PBC. Like I said, why wouldn't Bud have made a precondition for his extension, to get the Pacquiao fight, while he was at TR? That's just insane! Please explain that!

Terence Crawford: Manny Pacquiao Must Fight Me at 140!
July 24, 2016

Crawford has no problem with facing Pacquiao but cautions that - "It will be at 140."

"If Bob Arum wants that fight and my coaches want that fight, that's something we'll talk about later. I let my coaches handle that. I am a fighter and I will fight anybody. I'm happy and I'm about to go on vacation. We not worried about Manny Pacquiao right now."

https://www.boxingscene.com/terence-...me-140--107021

Arum: Pacquiao Rejected Crawford Over 140 Weight Demand
August 16, 2016

According to Top Rank's CEO Bob Arum, the main motivation for Manny Pacquiao's decision to select Jessie Vargas over Terence Crawford was the weight.

Crawford, following last month's victory over Viktor Postol to unify the WBC/WBO junior welterweight titles, made it clear that Pacquiao would have to moved down in weight to face him at 140-pounds.

Arum says Pacquiao had concerns with making that weight limit and elected to fight at 147-pounds against Vargas, who holds the World Boxing Organization (WBO) welterweight championship.

https://www.boxingscene.com/arum-pac...demand--107756

So you see, that had nothing to do with PBC, or Al Haymon! That's just Bud being Bud! I think he's SUPER talented, but he's weird as f--k! You moved up for Horn, but not Pacquiao?

I stated the same thing a few weeks ago in a Crawford thread and was called ignorant and a liar, don't worry, they don't see anything that breaks down their false narratives.

[F l i c k e r]

Why would Crawford put up 10mil to promote a fight that at best he makes 15mil? What’s some realistic numbers for this fight, lets’ say 400k ppv buys at $79.99 and a $10mil gate, and let’s exclude the Showtime (~wide range) and the Site’s percentage cut (~25%?) for now.

400k x 80 (rounded) = 32mil
32mil + 10mil = 42mil
42 x .35 = 14mil.

So if this fight sells 400k PPVs and does $10mil at the gate, after Crawford puts down 10mil for promotion, camp expenses, Showtime’s cut, Vegas’ cut, he’s sure to take home around, maybe, possibly, 2mil? I suppose with a good international and sponsorship deals he can pump that number up a bit, to maybe 3-4mil?

Does any of this make sense to you?

Aye, you're about as in the know as I am.

I just took what Rachel Donaire said, someone who is closer to the real contracts and knows how the business works said.

Essentially, Crawford would have to fork over money to be a co-promoter of the event to get that book access. That's what it boils down to, whether you, I, or anyone else likes it or agrees or not really.

[SUBZER0ED]

I thought Spence agreed to everything?

There’s nothing wrong with what Crawford was asking for. Espinoza instead of being a little rat should be presenting himself and showtime as the arbiter. But he’s more preoccupied with acting the gimp for Al.

I thought both parties agreed to the terms, then Crawford claimed he wanted "transparency". Next thing we know, Bud has a fight set up with Avanesyan. That should tell you that he wasn't serious about fighting Spence. Who negotiates two fights at the same time? As for Espinoza, he's the head of the network that would have broadcast the fight. He may not be saying what you want to hear, but what if it's the truth?