Pound for Pound is About SKILLS not OPPOSITION

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  • zalez787
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    #41
    Originally posted by Fulcrum29
    I'm getting tired of Pacman nuthuggers hating on Floyd's recent placement back atop the P4P rankings due to the fact that he fought a guy moving up.

    The fact is, by the pure definition of the term POUND FOR POUND Floyd is #1, not Pacman. Pound for Pound has nothing to do with who you fight, or who is the best at your weight division. I found it so laughable when I heard a Cotto nuthugger say that Cotto should be P4P ahead of Mayweather because Cotto has proven himself at 147 and thus is the king of 147 and Mayweather is not. Um..what the hell does 147 have to do with p4p? Absolutely nothing.
    Pound for pound means that given the same size/physical advantages, the fighter rated p4p higher will always win and beat someone ranked p4p lower than him.
    With that said what the hell does fighting Marquez have to do with the fact that at equal weights Floyd would demolish Pacquaio and school him even worse than he schooled JMM?
    Given these obvious assertions, it is clear that Floyd Mayweather is pound for pound #1 in the world right now as he was before his retirement.

    Keep in mind that who you fight has SOME bearing on it but ONLY in the sense that it gives a measurement of what your boxing ability truly is. And in the end the P4P ranking is all about BOXING ABILITY not resumes.
    HOW you win a fight is more important for P4P rankings than who you fight.
    I.E. going life and death with JMM twice for Pac, and easily dominating him 120-107 for Mayweather. That's the P4P difference.
    Look u ****** ****. When u become a boxer , ur only dream is to become the best fighter , If u got skills , u make it big , ok. BUt u have to prove u are the best by fighting the best. Floyd has skills , floyd is good , but he is a ***** , if he retires he will be remembered. mostly by his controversy and his mouth , He barely fought anybody ranker like dough fischer said to claim the number 1 spot. U fight the best in order to be the best , Like in every sport , There are championships at the end of the season , and the best 2 teams , with the best records go against each other , for the right to be called the champions ,and in that given year be the best. So put ur toungue back in ur ******* and get the **** out of here. go to Las vegas find floyd and bend over.

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    • Fulcrum29
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      #42
      Originally posted by miron_lang
      Pound for pound is an OPINION based ranking on who will win if fighters are the same size.

      Resume is the best gauge because it is how the fighter actually performed.

      Skills are required of course but how can you prove your skills if you have the advantage againts almost all your opponents?
      You just proved my point exactly. It's all about how the fighter actually performs, resume plays 2nd fiddle to that though it still does play a role. But what's more important is not the who but the HOW.
      For example Pacman beat JMM but he arguably lost so the who was ok but the HOW made Pacman look bad. Floyd fought JMM but owned him 120-107.

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      • Fulcrum29
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        #43
        Originally posted by zalez787
        Look u ****** ****. When u become a boxer , ur only dream is to become the best fighter , If u got skills , u make it big , ok. BUt u have to prove u are the best by fighting the best. Floyd has skills , floyd is good , but he is a ***** , if he retires he will be remembered. mostly by his controversy and his mouth , He barely fought anybody ranker like dough fischer said to claim the number 1 spot. U fight the best in order to be the best , Like in every sport , There are championships at the end of the season , and the best 2 teams , with the best records go against each other , for the right to be called the champions ,and in that given year be the best. So put ur toungue back in ur ******* and get the **** out of here. go to Las vegas find floyd and bend over.
        Take your medication then come back and learn to stay on topic. And next time stop skipping your english as a second language classes.

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        • Glamour Puss
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          #44
          Originally posted by Fulcrum29
          That would be accurate. However the traditional POUND FOR POUND list without arbitrary stipulation (p4p for resume, etc) IS for skills, and so Mayweather is P4P #1 period. If Ring's mythical P4P rankings would be about resume specifically, they would have specified it as such.
          LOL. Ok well, outside of a few ****** fans, Floyd is only a legend in his own mind.

          In the real world, results are what matter.

          While Floyd is jerking himself off to his fantasies of being better than SRR.
          Pac, JMM, Cotto and the rest are actually out there fighting and proving themselves.

          If Floyd is p4p #1 then that designation has really become diluted.

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            #45
            Originally posted by Jack Burton
            Ok puto.

            P4P means you proved your alleged skill level against the best available opposition in YOUR WEIGHT CLASS.

            Its not some hallucination you have about how good you THINK he is.

            Until he does that he's not the top guy. Sorry to burst your b-b-bubble.
            All the best fighters of history have faced and propped up some of their credibility and weight by facing people smaller than them. One of Hearns biggest claims to fame is knocking out the smaller Duran who was coming up as well so stop the excuses it only exposes your biased hatred and bigotry.

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              #46
              Originally posted by Jack Burton
              LOL. Ok well, outside of a few ****** fans, Floyd is only a legend in his own mind.

              In the real world, results are what matter.

              While Floyd is jerking himself off to his fantasies of being better than SRR, Pac, JMM, Cotto and the rest are actually out there fighting and proving themselves.

              If Floyd is p4p #1 then that designation has really become diluted.
              Considering that Floyd has proven he's a bigger draw than Pacman and JMM, he doesn't have "a few ****** fans." This is only making you look terrible. Please stop humiliating yourself. Floyd's last 3 PPV have outsold Pac's 3 best PPV's...owned.

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                #47
                I cant blame Falcrum, he just attracted to boring boxers, nothing more nothing less.

                Fulcrums favorite boxers:
                Heavy Weight - Wladimir Klitschko
                Supposedly Welter Weight- Floyd Mayweather

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                • Glamour Puss
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                  #48
                  Originally posted by Fulcrum29
                  You just proved my point exactly. It's all about how the fighter actually performs, resume plays 2nd fiddle to that though it still does play a role. But what's more important is not the who but the HOW.
                  For example Pacman beat JMM but he arguably lost so the who was ok but the HOW made Pacman look bad. Floyd fought JMM but owned him 120-107.
                  Whats so special about beating a career FW and outweighing him by 20 pounds?

                  After not making weight on purpose no less.

                  Hmmm?

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                  • Glamour Puss
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Fulcrum29
                    Considering that Floyd has proven he's a bigger draw than Pacman and JMM, he doesn't have "a few ****** fans." This is only making you look terrible. Please stop humiliating yourself. Floyd's last 3 PPV have outsold Pac's 3 best PPV's...owned.
                    Floyd can't sell w/ out Oscar, Gatti, and Hatton.

                    JMM sold this last fight cuz' of his piss drinking antics.

                    Owned.

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                    • Fulcrum29
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                      #50
                      Originally posted by Jack Burton
                      Whats so special about beating a career FW and outweighing him by 20 pounds?

                      After not making weight on purpose no less.

                      Hmmm?
                      What's so special is that making Marquez land at 12% connect and yourself landing at 80%+ connect has zero to do with weight. Marquez should have been the lighter and faster one and threw and landed more but he didn't. It proves how big the skill disparity was. You get it yet einstein?

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