Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

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Had they fought Ray most likely comes out in the aggressive style he fought Kalule and Benitez cause he would feel he was the stronger fighter. I doubt he comes out boxing on his toes. Looking at the Kalule fight and how often he Kalule was able to nail Ray with countershots coming forward i see the same thing in a fight with Floyd with the difference being its coming 10 times quicker with much more snap and much better defense and skills.

This particular style Ray used against Kalule and Benitez Floyd wins a easy UD. Ray is getting nailed coming in often against Kalule who was slow

Ray82, honestly you sound like the dumbest mf I have ever ever ever debated. Now your saying Ray looked good fast, vs Duran in 89. Your a ****in idiot. They both he and Duran were shot in 89. Ray looked fast vs a 168 pound past his prime almost 40 year old Duran. How ****in dummm can you be. Like Roy jones looked fast vs Tito, but vs Calzaghe you saw how fast he WAS NOT. Man you really should learn boxing.

When Ray came back from retirement he had nothing what he had before he left. NOTHING. His speed, reflexes, stamina, balance were all gone. Evidence, he never ever got knocked down before he retired, his reflexesk, jaw, and balance prevented this, then he comes back and gets knocked down by Kevin howard. He was able to go 15 solid back and forth rounds with duran, but could barely make it in a less eventful fight with Hagler.

Then you say because he got nailed by Kalule he would get nailed and beaten by a decision by Mayweather. Why don't you pay attention to the prefight interview, you can order it, and you see, that Leonard said before the fight, his plans was to take directly to Kalule and try to take him out early. He was 36-0 with 18 ko's but considered not a heavy hitter. Thus the differenc between ray and mayweather is Ray could box, or war. Vs Kalule he chose to come right after him. Now vs benetiz when he was in only his first championship fight, he boxed used his jab, a jab by the way the dropped benetiz, and by the way Benetiz is ranked currently ahead of Mayweather on pound per pound list. I wonder why.

Could it be that most intelligent people realize Mayweather has not beaten anyone of note above 135. Your the onbly idiot on here that does not see this. You ever wonder why 80% of fans on here pick ray over Mayweather. 100% of sports writers, magazines, etc. Most of these are paid to evalutate the true quality of a boxer, and none of them even mention mayweather when talking about a Leonard, duran etc. Mayweather is scared to fight solid welterewieghts.

Ray82...I am begging you WHY ARE YOU SCARED TO ADDRESS MAYWEATHER'S AVOIDANCE OF EVERY SINGLE TOP WELTER. Why is it that Mayweather is fighting fighters when he is the welterweight champion who are not true welters, or even fighters who have fought several times at welter. Why Ray82, why. While your at it, since you say kalule shows you how ray could be countered, when your dumb ass does not realize ray has different styles for different fighters, which is what made him great. Mayweather has one style, defensive, pot shotting, cherry picking, no power... But while your at it, what if that would have been prime, instead of DLH...I am asking you in front of everyone on here, to answer my questions.

[bojangles1987]

Ray82, honestly you sound like the dumbest mf I have ever ever ever debated. Now your saying Ray looked good fast, vs Duran in 89. Your a ****in idiot. They both he and Duran were shot in 89. Ray looked fast vs a 168 pound past his prime almost 40 year old Duran. How ****in dummm can you be. Like Roy jones looked fast vs Tito, but vs Calzaghe you saw how fast he WAS NOT. Man you really should learn boxing.

When Ray came back from retirement he had nothing what he had before he left. NOTHING. His speed, reflexes, stamina, balance were all gone. Evidence, he never ever got knocked down before he retired, his reflexesk, jaw, and balance prevented this, then he comes back and gets knocked down by Kevin howard. He was able to go 15 solid back and forth rounds with duran, but could barely make it in a less eventful fight with Hagler.

Then you say because he got nailed by Kalule he would get nailed and beaten by a decision by Mayweather. Why don't you pay attention to the prefight interview, you can order it, and you see, that Leonard said before the fight, his plans was to take directly to Kalule and try to take him out early. He was 36-0 with 18 ko's but considered not a heavy hitter. Thus the differenc between ray and mayweather is Ray could box, or war. Vs Kalule he chose to come right after him. Now vs benetiz when he was in only his first championship fight, he boxed used his jab, a jab by the way the dropped benetiz, and by the way Benetiz is ranked currently ahead of Mayweather on pound per pound list. I wonder why.

Could it be that most intelligent people realize Mayweather has not beaten anyone of note above 135. Your the onbly idiot on here that does not see this. You ever wonder why 80% of fans on here pick ray over Mayweather. 100% of sports writers, magazines, etc. Most of these are paid to evalutate the true quality of a boxer, and none of them even mention mayweather when talking about a Leonard, duran etc. Mayweather is scared to fight solid welterewieghts.

Ray82...I am begging you WHY ARE YOU SCARED TO ADDRESS MAYWEATHER'S AVOIDANCE OF EVERY SINGLE TOP WELTER. Why is it that Mayweather is fighting fighters when he is the welterweight champion who are not true welters, or even fighters who have fought several times at welter. Why Ray82, why. While your at it, since you say kalule shows you how ray could be countered, when your dumb ass does not realize ray has different styles for different fighters, which is what made him great. Mayweather has one style, defensive, pot shotting, cherry picking, no power... But while your at it, what if that would have been prime, instead of DLH...I am asking you in front of everyone on here, to answer my questions.

Just stop arguing with the Floyd nuthugger, he is making arguments for Leonard-Mayweather at welterweight using fights from Leonard's comeback at middleweight and super middleweight. He clearly doesn't care to have an unbiased opinion of this fight and is finding every little nitpicking thing he can from YouTube videos without any iota of what Leonard was doing in these individual fights or the competition he was fighting. He actually thinks Leonard's handspeed is slow and Floyd would counter and pot shot to a UD.

We both know Leonard wins this fight, probably without too much difficulty, and that's coming from someone who cannot stand Sugar Ray Leonard.

[RayLeonard82]

Ray82, honestly you sound like the dumbest mf I have ever ever ever debated. Now your saying Ray looked good fast, vs Duran in 89. Your a ****in idiot. They both he and Duran were shot in 89. Ray looked fast vs a 168 pound past his prime almost 40 year old Duran. How ****in dummm can you be. Like Roy jones looked fast vs Tito, but vs Calzaghe you saw how fast he WAS NOT. Man you really should learn boxing.

When Ray came back from retirement he had nothing what he had before he left. NOTHING. His speed, reflexes, stamina, balance were all gone. Evidence, he never ever got knocked down before he retired, his reflexesk, jaw, and balance prevented this, then he comes back and gets knocked down by Kevin howard. He was able to go 15 solid back and forth rounds with duran, but could barely make it in a less eventful fight with Hagler.

Then you say because he got nailed by Kalule he would get nailed and beaten by a decision by Mayweather. Why don't you pay attention to the prefight interview, you can order it, and you see, that Leonard said before the fight, his plans was to take directly to Kalule and try to take him out early. He was 36-0 with 18 ko's but considered not a heavy hitter. Thus the differenc between ray and mayweather is Ray could box, or war. Vs Kalule he chose to come right after him. Now vs benetiz when he was in only his first championship fight, he boxed used his jab, a jab by the way the dropped benetiz, and by the way Benetiz is ranked currently ahead of Mayweather on pound per pound list. I wonder why.

Could it be that most intelligent people realize Mayweather has not beaten anyone of note above 135. Your the onbly idiot on here that does not see this. You ever wonder why 80% of fans on here pick ray over Mayweather. 100% of sports writers, magazines, etc. Most of these are paid to evalutate the true quality of a boxer, and none of them even mention mayweather when talking about a Leonard, duran etc. Mayweather is scared to fight solid welterewieghts.

Ray82...I am begging you WHY ARE YOU SCARED TO ADDRESS MAYWEATHER'S AVOIDANCE OF EVERY SINGLE TOP WELTER. Why is it that Mayweather is fighting fighters when he is the welterweight champion who are not true welters, or even fighters who have fought several times at welter. Why Ray82, why. While your at it, since you say kalule shows you how ray could be countered, when your dumb ass does not realize ray has different styles for different fighters, which is what made him great. Mayweather has one style, defensive, pot shotting, cherry picking, no power... But while your at it, what if that would have been prime, instead of DLH...I am asking you in front of everyone on here, to answer my questions.

36 year old DLH beats Kevin Howard, Gonzales, Andy Price, Kalule. Oscar was ready for that fight and his combinations and speed looked great until the later rounds. Stop with the 36 year old excuse. Oscar looked great until late and tired out like he did even when he was 28 years old. No difference. Oscar kept trying those 10 punch combinations and guess what happened? Floyd blocked them with ease. Making it seem like Oscar was straight shot when that's not true.

I dont' care about sportswriters. Many radio talk host and writers said 1980s Kareem would dominate Shaq and the 1980s Lakers sweep the Kobe/Shaq Lakers. They forgot something.

Whoever Moses Malone plays for PIMP SLAPS the Lakers 1981 and 1983. Thats cause he destroyed Kareem on the boards, in the paint. Kareem got his 20 points but averaged like 4 boards a game. Shaq would average 40 and 20 on those Lakers and there 220 pound centers and power forwards. Shaq is 60 pounds bigger then Moses and Dr J aint on Kobe's level. 83 76ers 4-0 sweep. The same with the 1986 Rockets. Akeem destroyed Kareem. results 4-1 Rockets

Sometimes ppl automatically favor the older eras cause they grew up in it. There are ppl who thing the 78 Steelers could hang today but forget the lineman were like 250 pounds back then.

To me SRL victories in big fights are overated.

1. Duran - Like i said he ran around the ring like a little girl 2nd fight

2. hearns - This is Ray's big victory

3 Hagler - He waited until Hagler got old and basically admitted it

[RayLeonard82]

Ray is slick. He chooses the right times to fight certain big fights knowing that fighter is slipping.

He chose the duran rematch so soon knowing Duran gets so out of shape between fights. He chose Hagler in 1987 knowing his speed was slowing down. How come he didnt fight Hagler after the 1984 Kevin Howard fight? His eye was just fine.

Duran in shape kicked Rays ass and he's a natural 135 pounder.

[elchurro420]

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Ray is slick. He chooses the right times to fight certain big fights knowing that fighter is slipping.

He chose the duran rematch so soon knowing Duran gets so out of shape between fights. He chose Hagler in 1987 knowing his speed was slowing down. How come he didnt fight Hagler after the 1984 Kevin Howard fight? His eye was just fine.

Duran in shape kicked Rays ass and he's a natural 135 pounder.

Lets get this right idiot...

Fighting 72-1 Duran was the right time...He only beal dejesus twice after the sole loss.

Fighint 32-0 Hearns was the right time.

38-0-1 Benetiz two time champ at the time,,was the right time..

Fighting hagler who was active and a solid Middleweight, while Ray was inactive welter..inactive for most of 5 years..

Dlh was 36 idiot...face the facts. You dont know a damm thing about boxing. He actually lost to sturm but was given a gift decision. Stopped by hopkins, lost to trinidad, mosley twice, barely beat quartey... and mostly inactive at the time.. at age 36 he outfought your punkass lionel richie hitting Mayweather for the until he tired out. He out jabbed mayweather, made mayweather fight with his back on the ropes, Mayweather could do nothing vs a shot DLH while he had his legs. Nothing. Done 5-2 on scorecards...

Your dumb ass still will not answer my question will you....Clearly you can't. The only...the only fighter at welter or 154 that was worth anything was DLh and he was shot. You will ignore the facts. everyone on here is laughing how dumb you sound.. leoanrd in 89 was freaking horrible. How he looked vs Duran, was relative..Idiot. Do you understand what Relative means.It means he looked fast vs his opponent, because he opponent was shot to.

Now for Duran a 135 pounder..Did you take a look at duran previous 8 fights before he fought ray. or his fight vs palimino. Lets compare duran to lets say any one of Mayweather fights..Wasnt dlh a 135 pounde, you freakin ******. Wasnt hatton 140, judah 140, Jmm featherweight...So tell us exactly who good above 135 was a natural welter. Looks like only baldomir....Your so freaking dumb, your getting eaten alive with your own analogy.

Now for the score of the duran fight...Total of 4 points seperated the two between all 3 scorecards. Leoanrd made a mistake fighting a legend toe to toe..but I bet Mayweather would not have lasted 4 rounds fighting toe to toe, we can look at how he did vs Castillo..Hmmm who by the way is not worthy of carrying durans jockstrap.

Learn boxing. YOu have been getting eatin up on here for weeks......

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36 year old DLH beats Kevin Howard, Gonzales, Andy Price, Kalule. Oscar was ready for that fight and his combinations and speed looked great until the later rounds. Stop with the 36 year old excuse. Oscar looked great until late and tired out like he did even when he was 28 years old. No difference. Oscar kept trying those 10 punch combinations and guess what happened? Floyd blocked them with ease. Making it seem like Oscar was straight shot when that's not true.

I dont' care about sportswriters. Many radio talk host and writers said 1980s Kareem would dominate Shaq and the 1980s Lakers sweep the Kobe/Shaq Lakers. They forgot something.

Whoever Moses Malone plays for PIMP SLAPS the Lakers 1981 and 1983. Thats cause he destroyed Kareem on the boards, in the paint. Kareem got his 20 points but averaged like 4 boards a game. Shaq would average 40 and 20 on those Lakers and there 220 pound centers and power forwards. Shaq is 60 pounds bigger then Moses and Dr J aint on Kobe's level. 83 76ers 4-0 sweep. The same with the 1986 Rockets. Akeem destroyed Kareem. results 4-1 Rockets

Sometimes ppl automatically favor the older eras cause they grew up in it. There are ppl who thing the 78 Steelers could hang today but forget the lineman were like 250 pounds back then.

To me SRL victories in big fights are overated.

1. Duran - Like i said he ran around the ring like a little girl 2nd fight

2. hearns - This is Ray's big victory

3 Hagler - He waited until Hagler got old and basically admitted it

Stop all the ****** ****...I asked you a specific question. you go off talking about the lakers and ****. SIMPLE QUESTION... Who great, peak, and at natural weight at welter has Maywether beaten? Very simple question.

[RayLeonard82]

Lets get this right idiot...

Fighting 72-1 Duran was the right time...He only beal dejesus twice after the sole loss.

Fighint 32-0 Hearns was the right time.

38-0-1 Benetiz two time champ at the time,,was the right time..

Fighting hagler who was active and a solid Middleweight, while Ray was inactive welter..inactive for most of 5 years..

Dlh was 36 idiot...face the facts. You dont know a damm thing about boxing. He actually lost to sturm but was given a gift decision. Stopped by hopkins, lost to trinidad, mosley twice, barely beat quartey... and mostly inactive at the time.. at age 36 he outfought your punkass lionel richie hitting Mayweather for the until he tired out. He out jabbed mayweather, made mayweather fight with his back on the ropes, Mayweather could do nothing vs a shot DLH while he had his legs. Nothing. Done 5-2 on scorecards...

Your dumb ass still will not answer my question will you....Clearly you can't. The only...the only fighter at welter or 154 that was worth anything was DLh and he was shot. You will ignore the facts. everyone on here is laughing how dumb you sound.. leoanrd in 89 was freaking horrible. How he looked vs Duran, was relative..Idiot. Do you understand what Relative means.It means he looked fast vs his opponent, because he opponent was shot to.

Now for Duran a 135 pounder..Did you take a look at duran previous 8 fights before he fought ray. or his fight vs palimino. Lets compare duran to lets say any one of Mayweather fights..Wasnt dlh a 135 pounde, you freakin ******. Wasnt hatton 140, judah 140, Jmm featherweight...So tell us exactly who good above 135 was a natural welter. Looks like only baldomir....Your so freaking dumb, your getting eaten alive with your own analogy.

Now for the score of the duran fight...Total of 4 points seperated the two between all 3 scorecards. Leoanrd made a mistake fighting a legend toe to toe..but I bet Mayweather would not have lasted 4 rounds fighting toe to toe, we can look at how he did vs Castillo..Hmmm who by the way is not worthy of carrying durans jockstrap.

Learn boxing. YOu have been getting eatin up on here for weeks......

Learn boxing. Ok i will learn and give u bottom lines

Bottom line is Marvin Hagler was a name ONLY at the time. Stop with the statistics. Hagler was extremely slow in that fight. Bottom line is had Ray chose to fight Michael Nunn, Julian Jackson, Mike McCallum after Hagler he would have gotten knocked out.

Bottom line is Quincy Taylor knocked his out out in sparring and his trainers were like daaaaaamn wonder what Hagler would do to him. What they didn't know at the time was Hagler was much much slower.

Non BIG GAME fighters would have given 1987 SRL more problems because they were young, active, speed. Thats why he chose to go on the senior citizens tour. Then in 1991 he was like i want to test my skills.

I wonder why he said that. Maybe because he knew his previous opponents were old and slow. Including Hagler.

[RayLeonard82]

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Question? Since you give Ray so much credit for fighting Hagler who in my opinion was washed up then why not fight these guys soon after.

[RayLeonard82]

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What great 160 pounder did Marvin Hagler ever beat?

Duran - Moved up from 135

Hearns - Moved up from 147

SRL - Weather u feel Hagler won or not. Ray started at 147


It would be interesting had Hagler fought in the late 1980s and early 1990's with Mike McCallum, Julian jackson, Hopkins, Roy Jones, Michael Nunn, James Toney. True middleweights at the time.