Mayweather vs Sugar Ray Leonard??

[RayLeonard82]

RayLeonard82 is probably one of Horus' alts. This thread just goes to prove it's impossible to have anysort of discussion with the *****sexuals (or any nuthugger for that matter). Notice how he just keeps repeating the same ****e over and over again long after you've convincingly refuted it?

For the record, Benitez was a better counter puncher than Mr. Boat Buyer ever dreamed of being (Pretty Gay Floyd MIGHT be able to find work as one of Benitez's MINOR sparring partners though). Throwing 15 punches a round (aka take a pot-shot then run like ****) like Fraud Gayweather does isn't going to beat ATG level opposition, not to mention the fact he has no power and would be unable to hurt Leonard. Pretty Girl brings nothing to the table that Ray Leonard hadn't already done and done better.

Poet

Im honestly not a Floyd fan and dont like his attitude or personality but i give props where its due. Saying Benitez was a better counterpuncher is laughable.

Your saying a guy who often punched wide is quicker and a better counterpuncher. Floyd punches straight down the pipe, sharp and crisp.

[Stickman]

I never said he didn'T have good hand speed. I just said it was overated. I don't consider flurry hand speed to be better than counterpunch hand speed which to me is instinctive speed. SRL was quick when he flurried but his counter speed was good at best. Watch the video up ahead and his accuracy. The same thing happen in the Benitez and 1st Duran fight. He would throw a bunch of punches that looked cute but his accuracy wasn't Floyd or a Roy Jones level.

Im just not impressed with his counter speed in the Benitez, Duran, Kalule, Mayweather SR fights.

Floyds speed is different meaning it's not a bunch of wasted 10 punch quick flurries like SRL or Meldrick Taylor. He will make you miss and immedietely counter and do it with consistency. Roy Jones at his peak was the same.

Both Floyd and Roy are the only fighters i know who could nail you from 10 feet away out of nowhere. Watch Floyd vs Corrales how he nailed him with the upercut from 10 feet away. SRL speed is most effective in close range but not from distance

Jesus, you're an idiot. Go find someone else to sling bull**** at, I'm pretty sure everyone with any brains on this thread already knows what you're all about.

By the way, if you've never seen SRL throw a lightning fast lead right hand and land it before his opponent even saw it coming, then you have no ****ing clue what "fast" even is. His handspeed was among the fastest in the division history, and I don't believe I've ever seen someone his size pack the kind of punching power that he did.

Every bull**** argument you present is basically nonsense that you've thrown in, hoping someone will be ignorant enough of the sport to believe you. What the **** are you doing, trying to start a Floyd fan club?

[realheavyhands]

2 of my favs ever. How can u pick a winner? Gun 2 my head - I would go for 4 Mayweather - cause speed and Iq Kills

i wouldnt say boxing iq more like knowlege.. he trained to be a fighter since birth...mayweather is overrated tho but hes still a very good if not great fighter.. but ray leonard would beat him . he could can he styles seamlessly as where floyd relies on rodger when hes in trouble...

[Stickman]

i wouldnt say boxing iq more like knowlege.. he trained to be a fighter since birth...mayweather is overrated tho but hes still a very good if not great fighter.. but ray leonard would beat him . he could can he styles seamlessly as where floyd relies on rodger when hes in trouble...

Hey, buddy...I understood your post, but I'm just wondering....how many beers you had tonight?

[realheavyhands]

Hey, buddy...I understood your post, but I'm just wondering....how many beers you had tonight?

enough , how could u tell hahah

[Stickman]

enough , how could u tell hahah

'Cause it looked like my own typing after I'm ass deep into a 12 pack.

[Mr. Ryan]

Oh man, Leonard all day and I don't even like Leonard.

[wpink1]

SRL vs Floyd's father 1978. Pay close attention to SRL accuracy on his punches and his INSTINTCIVE speed. He struggled figuring out Floyds pops defense and his dad aint no where close to Floyd jr. Jr has mastered the shoulder roll and most important countering off of it. He's also in much better condition than his dad who when he fought SRL was coming of being shot. The more i watch old SRL fights the more i see Floyd winning a UD. Ray's only chance would be a late KO. Floyd is a much quicker instincive puncher with much better accuracy. Ray's only quick when he flurries which Floyd would block all day long. That's not gonna work. Against Floyd you need to be able to counter off his missed punches. Being aggressive and throwing flurries wont work.

So you call this struggling by Ray.....Wow. In fact has Mayweather Jr had any performance vs a solid welter this dominatingg. Why does anyone even listen to your dumb ass factless posts.

Pay close attention, as if you know what the **** your talking about. How about you pay close attention.....PLEASE ANSWER MY QUESTIONS...WHO AT WELTERWEIGHT HAD MAYWEATHER BEATEN WHO IS PEAK, GREAT, AND AT THEIR NORMAL WEIGHT.

Mayweather is not even in the top 10 of welters alll time. Ray 82, you keep on trying to pick apart Ray leoanrd. You get these weak ass videos and try to say pay attention here etc... I can get videos of Mayweather too, it is sort of like soundbitin, you can always get videos to justify your position, correction almost always...You cant get a video of mayweather beating much less a fighting a great peak welterweight at their normal weight, I can produce 4 videos of Ray vs all time top fighters...Hmmmm i wonder how many you can produce.

This weak ass Pay attention here, pay attention there..What if i get the castillo videos..showing how much of a ***** mayweather was, what if i get videos of him fighting dlh and showing the jab repeatedly dominating mayweather, or in the 12th round dlh catchin mayweather with a straight right then (like you do) run off to this website and say "pay attention how a straight right hand can land on mayweahter, just imagine if this was a peak Leonard throwing this", we can always get bits and pieces to show our position..means nothing.

What the generally recognized quality of greatness is idiot, is quality of opposition beat. I will repeat QUALITY OF OPPOSITION BEATEN. Again who at welterweight has Mayweather beaten that justify's him even being mentioned in afight with leonard at welter. We can name all the top welters he has avoided. I personally believe that apersons history is the best indicator of their future, if that is so, Mayweather will fight Paqman instead of mosley, he will avoid the truly dangerous of big welters....and somehow in your mind this equates to him first off signing to fight ray, then beating ray...

Hell I am headed to work out, I will be back later to do what my father has always told me never to do..argue with a dummy...as the bigger dummy is he who argues with a dummy.

couple of things for you to brush up on...Leonards counters...You may want to review his footage. Specifically Duran 2, Finch,

Review the difference between leonards power and mayweathers power...spefically hearns round 6 idiot which you keep trying to lie about saying ray only defeated hearns because of hearns becoming tired hmmm what about DLH, again you leave out ****. Ask Davey boy green about Ray's power.. Didnt ray stop a jr middle and the light heavy weight champion.. Hmmmmm

[RayLeonard82]

WPINK

Look i respect your opinon and this is a simple debate and discussion. Growing up i was a big SRL fan and enjoyed the flashy combinations as a kid but when i started boxing and grew older i went back and watched his fights, mainly the big fights and for some reason he was less impressive as when i was a kid. His big fights victories to me have to much controversy. Roy Jones and Floyd have been in big pay per view fights and when the fight was over there was no controversy. SRL is kinda like Oscar somewhat.

1. Duran 2nd Fight - He's not dominating like you think. When i was younger i was like woooow he did the bolo and hit with the left jab. But when i looked at entire rounds NOW im like all he's doing is running around the ring for 2 minutes and 58 seconds then throw 3 quick punches. That's not out boxing somebody. Outboxing is making a guy miss and counter. Just like there 2nd fight in 1989 which was SRL running around the ring and NO PUNCHING. If your gonna stick and move..PLEASE STICK as your moving. Overated Performance

2. Hearns - Tommy has a weak chin and was knocked out by Barkley and Hagler also. So because Barkley beat Hearns should he be a all time great based off that performance. He beat Tommy more impressive.

3 Hagler - Waited until he got old. Ray gets more credit if this was Hager of 1982,1983,1984,1985. This is why he fought Hagler after watching his performance against Mugabi. Ray said before the fight he was counting on Haglers lost speed and thought that would be the difference. Why not fight Hagler at his peak when his speed was at its peak? Ray got away with the layoff cause it was against a fighter who got old after that Mugabi fight. Ray would not have gotten away with that against a active young fighter.

One of the reasons SRL avoided young talented fighters after Hagler even during the Donny Lalonde, 2nd Hearns and Duran fights era was because Quincy Taylor knocked him out in sparring 1 week before the Hagler fight. To me Ray was the same in the Norris fight as the Hagler fight. The difference was it was a active, gifted young fighter with speed. The same results would happened in 1987 had Ray fought a young talented fighter after Hagler. He tried that same underhand combination against Norris in round 2 and got decked.

[bojangles1987]

WPINK

Look i respect your opinon and this is a simple debate and discussion. Growing up i was a big SRL fan and enjoyed the flashy combinations as a kid but when i started boxing and grew older i went back and watched his fights, mainly the big fights and for some reason he was less impressive as when i was a kid. His big fights victories to me have to much controversy. Roy Jones and Floyd have been in big pay per view fights and when the fight was over there was no controversy. SRL is kinda like Oscar somewhat.

1. Duran 2nd Fight - He's not dominating like you think. When i was younger i was like woooow he did the bolo and hit with the left jab. But when i looked at entire rounds NOW im like all he's doing is running around the ring for 2 minutes and 58 seconds then throw 3 quick punches. That's not out boxing somebody. Outboxing is making a guy miss and counter. Just like there 2nd fight in 1989 which was SRL running around the ring and NO PUNCHING. If your gonna stick and move..PLEASE STICK as your moving. Overated Performance

2. Hearns - Tommy has a weak chin and was knocked out by Barkley and Hagler also. So because Barkley beat Hearns should he be a all time great based off that performance. He beat Tommy more impressive.

3 Hagler - Waited until he got old. Ray gets more credit if this was Hager of 1982,1983,1984,1985. This is why he fought Hagler after watching his performance against Mugabi. Ray said before the fight he was counting on Haglers lost speed and thought that would be the difference. Why not fight Hagler at his peak when his speed was at its peak? Ray got away with the layoff cause it was against a fighter who got old after that Mugabi fight. Ray would not have gotten away with that against a active young fighter.

One of the reasons SRL avoided young talented fighters after Hagler even during the Donny Lalonde, 2nd Hearns and Duran fights era was because Quincy Taylor knocked him out in sparring 1 week before the Hagler fight. To me Ray was the same in the Norris fight as the Hagler fight. The difference was it was a active, gifted young fighter with speed. The same results would happened in 1987 had Ray fought a young talented fighter after Hagler. He tried that same underhand combination against Norris in round 2 and got decked.

So, Hearns being knocked out by Barkley and Hagler means he has a weak chin? That's ridiculous. And Iran Barkley was a great fighter.

Leonard in the Hagler fight wasn't prime, just like Hagler, so if you are in any way basing your opinion on Leonard-Mayweather from those fights, you are seriously not getting the point.