Do I have a reasonable argument for having Floyd Mayweather Jr as the greatest fighter of all time?

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The thing in all this is I wouldnt put Floyd in the WWs , I think the best Mayweather weight class as in history would have been around 135-140. I don't think its anywhere near a level playing field to be included with much bigger guys in this context, same for Manny, they fought at WW because that's where the money was and they were successful because they were great fighters, but that's not their best weight and against the best in history that's a massive handicap.

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What was the time length between the rematches that Robinson had with Lamotta? I bet you it was a quicker turn over than they have today.

Tyson Fury's resume is also stacked 80-90% with C-D level fighters.

I don't think the level of competition has changed, there was also probably a higher participation level world wide back in those days.

Boxing right up until around the 1960's, was the biggest sport in the world.

Track and Field athletics and Boxing where for a very long time, the only two Global sports in the world.

They are past times. Football, Tennis, Basketball, Rugby, all the other team sports. Only started to become Global, after the 1960's.

In another thread, I have already blown out the water this talk of Athletes being superior today in boxing.

I cannot be bothered repeating it all again, the information is all on the site.

90% of Robinson's high frequency wins were not against C level guys, more like X,Y, and Z. Stop over hyping those ridiculous pointless wins. What next, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr and his 50 wins over debutants, and guys with 3/4/5 wins to their name. Are they C/D Level as well in your eyes? Or Z Level, like they are in reality. The olden day 80/90/100+ win records are pointless and tell you nothing. Nash out. The Nash, the whole Nash, and nothing but the Nash.

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I had him beating Oscar 116-112. I don't think he was shot, definitely not his prime, but I think Forbes was when he was looking done and I know that looks like I'm just sticking up for him but look at who he fought before Floyd and you tell me if he looked shot. His decline started with Sturm but that was 160 dude, lost to Hopkins, no big deal, knocked out Mayorga, then Floyd. Nobody said Oscar was shot when he was knocking out Mayorga.

Oscar, Hatton, Cotto, Shane (nobody was saying Shane was old when he knocked Magrarito the fight before Flyd and Mayorga before that), Canelo, and Manny were dangerous fighters. JMM (after 2 years out rust-shedder), Ortiz, Guerro, Maidana, Berto, and McTapout were cherries, but he earned those.

5 cherries out of 13 of his last fights in the last 10 years of a 21 year career isn't bad dude.

No one were prime. Oscar De La Hoya was 35. He retired at 36. Hatton was Eurobum. Cotto was past prime. Shane was granddad. Canelo was pre-prime, inexperienced and drained.

Pac beat Oscar, Hatton, Mosley and Cotto much better.
Canelo beat Mosley better.

[Roadblock]

No one were prime. Oscar De La Hoya was 35. He retired at 36. Hatton was Eurobum. Cotto was past prime. Shane was granddad. Canelo was pre-prime, inexperienced and drained.

Pac beat Oscar, Hatton, Mosley and Cotto much better.
Canelo beat Mosley better.

What part of Floyd not being prime don't you understand, you cant even state when Mayweathers absolute prime was, actually, you only have a fan's idea of what prime even is, so you use this wide-open barn door to make statements that don't hold water.

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What part of Floyd not being prime don't you understand, you cant even state when Mayweathers absolute prime was, actually, you only have a fan's idea of what prime even is, so you use this wide-open barn door to make statements that don't hold water.

Floyd's prime was 2009-2015 lol. He was more technical, defensively responsible, ring general and smarter. 2013 Floyd would beat any version of him.

That's another truth that you Floyd fans try to hide.

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No one were prime. Oscar De La Hoya was 35. He retired at 36. Hatton was Eurobum. Cotto was past prime. Shane was granddad. Canelo was pre-prime, inexperienced and drained.

Pac beat Oscar, Hatton, Mosley and Cotto much better.
Canelo beat Mosley better.

• No fault of Floyd's own, just like I said. TR didn't want to make the fight and as soon as Floyd left TR, the fight was made ---> literally.
• Hatton was undefeated and a big star.
• Cotto was 32 years old, still in his physical prime, no shrinkage, and on a 3 fight win streak.
• Nobody said Shane was old when he was knocking Margarito out the fight before Floyd and he turned pro only 3 years before Floyd.
• Canelo was perfect prime, 42-0 dude lmao.

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• Oscar had lost 2 fights before Pac and looked bad against Forbes in the fight right before Manny and he had to shrink. Positioned cherry pick.
• Hatton had been flatttoned 2 fights before for the first time by Floyd and even Lazcano was dropping bombs on him. Positioned cherry pick.
• Before Floyd fought Shane, Freddie was on record saying they wouldn't fight Shane because he was too good. Drew with Mora after losing to Floyd and Roach goes for it. Again, positioned cherry pick.
• Cotto had been brutally stopped a year before Manny in his first loss and he had to shrink. Positioned cherry pick

This is what I'm talking about, Manny's best wins are positioned cherry pick. You can even go back to Morals and MAB. Pac was manufactured and positioned.

[Roadblock]

Floyd's prime was 2009-2015 lol. He was more technical, defensively responsible, ring general and smarter. 2013 Floyd would beat any version of him.

That's another truth that you Floyd fans try to hide.

Floyds prime is the same as any elite fighter, it lasts most of their career, the best operate at such a high level consistently its really only noticeable in two areas when its gaining and when it falls right off, during their career they will hit a certain night that is their ultimate peak, absolute prime is such a narrow window, a night where they are in a zone rarely reached, a great racehorse wins 40 races when was prime, Jordan when was prime, go down the list of greats in any field and tell me when was prime, its fan BS used in a plastic argument to suit an agenda, shallow people seem to only want to throw mud on greats for any trivial reason they think means something, its easy to see when an argument is coming from hate, I don't pump their tires up or hate on any I try to keep it real.

To compete at such a high level dominantly across 20 years as Floyd did is a remarkable athlete, Floyd is a one-percenter, you can cry and moan from your couch all you want but the people that know the difference know how special Floyd was.

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• No fault of Floyd's own, just like I said. TR didn't want to make the fight and as soon as Floyd left TR, the fight was made ---> literally.
• Hatton was undefeated and a big star.
• Cotto was 32 years old, still in his physical prime, no shrinkage, and on a 3 fight win streak.
• Nobody said Shane was old when he was knocking Margarito out the fight before Floyd and he turned pro only 3 years before Floyd.
• Canelo was perfect prime, 42-0 dude lmao.

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• Oscar had lost 2 fights before Pac and looked bad against Forbes in the fight right before Manny and he had to shrink. Positioned cherry pick.
• Hatton had been flatttoned 2 fights before for the first time by Floyd and even Lazcano was dropping bombs on him. Positioned cherry pick.
• Before Floyd fought Shane, Freddie was on record saying they wouldn't fight Shane because he was too good. Drew with Mora after losing to Floyd and Roach goes for it. Again, positioned cherry pick.
• Cotto had been brutally stopped a year before Manny in his first loss and he had to shrink. Positioned cherry pick

This is what I'm talking about, Manny's best wins are positioned cherry pick. You can even go back to Morals and MAB. Pac was manufactured and positioned.

Blah blah blah.. Excuses excuses excuses.. I am not even Pac fan but he beat them just a year after Floyd with much more spectacular fashion. No one's skills dies in a year.

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Blah blah blah.. Excuses excuses excuses.. I am not even Pac fan but he beat them just a year after Floyd with much more spectatular fashion. No one's skills dies in a year.

Great comeback, you lost. YDKSAB #getbetter.

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90% of Robinson's high frequency wins were not against C level guys, more like X,Y, and Z. Stop over hyping those ridiculous pointless wins. What next, Julio Cesar Chavez Sr and his 50 wins over debutants, and guys with 3/4/5 wins to their name. Are they C/D Level as well in your eyes? Or Z Level, like they are in reality. The olden day 80/90/100+ win records are pointless and tell you nothing. Nash out. The Nash, the whole Nash, and nothing but the Nash.

Well well well, I said something about your boy Tyson Fury.

You don't know what the level of the fighters were that Robinson beat, nobody does here for sure.

All I know is this? During that era, boxing was the biggest sport in the world 'And one of very few Global sports at that time'.

Therefor the participation levels in boxing would been higher. A higher quality of athlete would of been forced into boxing.

Back before the 1960's, if you could have a fight or aspired to fight. There was only one sport which you could excel in and earn a living? Boxing. And it was not just about men who desired to fight? Boxing was a opportunity for every single working class man, a opportunity to survive 'Boxing at its roots is not a sport, I have never class it as a leisure activity'.

So from those societal facts, I actually think on average Robinson whether he was fighting at super elite level or B-C level fighters. The competition would of been high quality.

It is easy in 2022 to look back and discredit these fighters, or mock them. All I know is that a higher percentage of fighters where in condition.

These days even with all this sport science and so called advancement in training. You have heavyweights turning up out of condition.

And most of the fighters in the lower weight divisions are in a bad way, due to the culture of weight draining.

The reason why fighters where fighting in such high frequency was because, as I have explained? Boxing was a survival activity 'There was a big demand for fights to happen'. If you was not apart of Aristocracy, if you did not have great excess to education or some sort of well earning trade, but you had the courage to throw a punch in anger? Those men turned to boxing.

I have theorized that the quality of athlete in boxing has decreased 'The natural ability, attitude and genetics etc'.

Fighters these days can do nothing but train, and they still turn up out of condition.