Do I have a reasonable argument for having Floyd Mayweather Jr as the greatest fighter of all time?

[hhh1200]

Hearns and Leonard (even Sr more offensive and bigger got beat down with his philly shell) both stop him at 147 but he is the best money earner for the lower divisions. Excluding HW as usual he is somewhere around 20-35 All-time.

[Haka]

You missed the point you cannot keep doing a Lamotta fight after fight, I dont care what comp you are in the very best cannot compete against each other day after dat they will burn up in half the time. the ATGs throughout history will have no more than around 20-30 top level fights on there resume spread out amongst the rest, todays fighters are thrown into more of their limit over a shorter period, meaning they rise quicker into high level comp in in the amateur's the rise in competition is fast..

The ability level of comp has certainly changed, everything in this world has changed its undeniable and the record books reflect it, we are not talking about one or two examples we are talking about the wave consisting of science and technique improvements, the tuition from infant to the world title is so much deeper today.

Other sports will compare against boxing only so far because nothing tests the soul like one on one combat, here mind-body in its fullest is tested, just like dogs compete in all manners of sports from racing to rounding up sheep and nothing will test the complete animal like a conditioned P4P dog fight will., and boxing is the same for the same reasons it tests to the extreme everything.

In the old days boxing was made up mostly of street toughs, pugs and bullies, you never had the professional guidance like they have today, Im nearly 70 yrs old and I can see the difference in the quality of the generalized fighter a mile away. It evolved and will keep on evolving only the gains wont be much and harder to obtain, mankind is getting close to his physical limits, records are milliseconds apart not goal posts.

Do you think those old timers skipped their days in the gym ? They were gym**** back then. Are you aware of the Pareto principle of 80/20 ? You can achieve 80 % of the task in 20% of the time, and the other 20% in 80% of the time. According to that, fighters physical condition would not have much of a difference.

[hugh grant]

Whos the best of his era lol, the guy he beat who has 7 losses, you're an idiot.

Why is it Floyd fans meet talking about unbeaten records? You need losses to be the best fighters ever, I didn't just make that up right now, the proof is SRR, Ali, Pac.. who all had losses.
Unbeaten records create su****ion. Floyd has created a whole lot of su****ion that takes away AT the credibility of floyd, the one thing Floyd fans so want Floyd to have
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Yes, the best of era is the fighter with 14 losses in pac. Nobody cares about SR R losses, or Alis or pacs. It's the wins and achievements and risks is what makes boxing fans salivate

[tritium_arma]

Greatest is very subjective so he could be your greatest fighter of all time. But he could also be another persons worst.

[Roadblock]

Do you think those old timers skipped their days in the gym ? They were gym**** back then. Are you aware of the Pareto principle of 80/20 ? You can achieve 80 % of the task in 20% of the time, and the other 20% in 80% of the time. According to that, fighters physical condition would not have much of a difference.

They didn't have the science or the know-how, many didn't even have refrigerators, they were work Sargents with a nose on the grindstone, there is fitness and then there is conditioning, they knew nothing of the level of conditioning the top fighters get into today, the balance of explosive power with strength and stamina is near its pinnacle today, advanced conditioning is light years away from the pre 80s gaining every decade.

Every aspect of human performance has improved by leaps and bounds, records are broken, racehorses and F1 cars are faster, high jumpers jump higher, weight lifters carry more weight, its the evolution of man, and everything wants to be better and more efficient, but wait you think boxing is exempt from the laws of adaption, stuck in time like a frozen cog in a clock, yeah right.

[duranfanatic]

They didn't have the science or the know-how, many didn't even have refrigerators, they were work Sargents with a nose on the grindstone, there is fitness and then there is conditioning, they knew nothing of the level of conditioning the top fighters get into today, the balance of explosive power with strength and stamina is near its pinnacle today, advanced conditioning is light years away from the pre 80s gaining every decade.

Every aspect of human performance has improved by leaps and bounds, records are broken, racehorses and F1 cars are faster, high jumpers jump higher, weight lifters carry more weight, its the evolution of man, and everything wants to be better and more efficient, but wait you think boxing is exempt from the laws of adaption, stuck in time like a frozen cog in a clock, yeah right.

I would think the only sport where conditioning and strength doesn't matter and the sport is true to itself no matter what you do has to be golf.

[Haka]

They didn't have the science or the know-how, many didn't even have refrigerators, they were work Sargents with a nose on the grindstone, there is fitness and then there is conditioning, they knew nothing of the level of conditioning the top fighters get into today, the balance of explosive power with strength and stamina is near its pinnacle today, advanced conditioning is light years away from the pre 80s gaining every decade.

Every aspect of human performance has improved by leaps and bounds, records are broken, racehorses and F1 cars are faster, high jumpers jump higher, weight lifters carry more weight, its the evolution of man, and everything wants to be better and more efficient, but wait you think boxing is exempt from the laws of adaption, stuck in time like a frozen cog in a clock, yeah right.

Impossible, boxing is based on old school methods. Canelo was for gods sake p4p #1 and look at his performance. Bivol is all about old school Soviet training.

[-Kev-]

You missed the point you cannot keep doing a Lamotta fight after fight, I dont care what comp you are in the very best cannot compete against each other day after dat they will burn up in half the time. the ATGs throughout history will have no more than around 20-30 top level fights on there resume spread out amongst the rest, todays fighters are thrown into more of their limit over a shorter period, meaning they rise quicker into high level comp in in the amateur's the rise in competition is fast..

The ability level of comp has certainly changed, everything in this world has changed its undeniable and the record books reflect it, we are not talking about one or two examples we are talking about the wave consisting of science and technique improvements, the tuition from infant to the world title is so much deeper today.

Other sports will compare against boxing only so far because nothing tests the soul like one on one combat, here mind-body in its fullest is tested, just like dogs compete in all manners of sports from racing to rounding up sheep and nothing will test the complete animal like a conditioned P4P dog fight will., and boxing is the same for the same reasons it tests to the extreme everything.

In the old days boxing was made up mostly of street toughs, pugs and bullies, you never had the professional guidance like they have today, Im nearly 70 yrs old and I can see the difference in the quality of the generalized fighter a mile away. It evolved and will keep on evolving only the gains wont be much and harder to obtain, mankind is getting close to his physical limits, records are milliseconds apart not goal posts.

Great post.

I think the boxing fanbase is the only fanbase where a lot of fans are denial about how much superior boxers are today. Every common sense detail is ignored.

In an NBA discussion, claiming Tom Heinsohn, who played in a majority white NBA, is better than Kobe Bryant, would get you laughed at. Heinsohn has 11 championships right? How many does Bryant have, 5? Yep, proof enough that Heinsohn is better.

Magic Johnson, scored around 17k-18k points. Jerry West scored 25k+ points. In NBA, discussion, if go around saying Jerry West was better, you’d get slapped, laughed at, and lose your basketball credibility. But Jerry, in a majority white NBA, scored more points than Magic, doesn’t that make him better? No, it does not.

In boxing discussions, it’s a completely different story. You are now talking about a fanbase consists of a lot of fans who don’t live in reality. Gene Tunney KO’s Tyson Fury, Mike Tyson wouldn’t last a round vs Max Schmeling, and Mayweather would have no answer for Barney Ross. And going around claiming these nonsensical opinions wouldn’t get you laughed at, it will get you high fives and into the circles of the pretentious boxing elitist.

[The Big Dunn]

Call me cynical, but when I see this thread from a poster named duranfanatic, I assume it’s a veiled Floyd hate thread.

I liken it to the cow in the commercial advising people to “eat mor chikn”.

[VG_Addict]

Where would you rank Floyd all time if he had beaten Casamayor and Freitas at 130, Dorin and Spadafora at 135, Hatton and Tszyu at 140, Pacquiao in 2011, Bradley in 2012, Canelo without a catchweight in 2013, and Brook and Thurman in 2014?