Do I have a reasonable argument for having Floyd Mayweather Jr as the greatest fighter of all time?

[Zaroku]

Castillo took that culo in their first fight.

[Babadoux]

He's an all time great but not the greatest of all time.

[War Room]

It's WELL KNOWN that Corrales went into that fight still 10 lbs overweight the morning of the weigh in. Spent hours in the sweat box, still failed twice. The third time had to be helped to walk to the scales. He's already gone up to lightweight had trouble making 130 for 2-3 years before. Was nearly 6 ft tall. Was going to jail to 2 years immediately after the fight. He took it only because he was up to his eyes in debt to his lawyers. he made a very graphic video about it. His life was in ruins, his family shattered He didn't bother training until the last couple of weeks, still 26 lbs overweight. His trainer was complaining that he couldn't get him to train that he spent all hias time in his room playing with a Gameboy.

Mayweather picked the perfect time to cherry pick.

All this is on record. easily obtainable.

How was this a cherry pick? He had time to make weight in training. Corrales did this with Casamayor II as well as one of the Castillo fights lol. Not Floyd's fault the guy did it to himself throughout his career. Floyd had no control over him making weight!

You don't seem to see the incongruity of your comment. I agree totally that Robinson would have eaten him up., and probably in a couple of rounds. In that case, how could the guy be in the top 5. ????? That sort of imbalance could sink the Queen Mary.
I think you left off a couple of zeros.......

Becasue Robinson is my #1, anyone can fit into 2-5. Do you understand how that works?

[Zaroku]

How was this a cherry pick? He had time to make weight in training. Corrales did this with Casamayor II as well as one of the Castillo fights lol. Not Floyd's fault the guy did it to himself throughout his career. Floyd had no control over him making weight!



Becasue Robinson is my #1, anyone can fit into 2-5. Do you understand how that works?

Nobody beats SRR

my uncle Maurice (***) loved Ray Robinson … he hated Ray Leonard and Mosley for the Sugar in their ring names.

I love Marvelous Marvin Hagler..
Burt Sugar can pull off that handle.

Coke in Mexico in little bottles has real sugar, brown sugar.

The stones song brown sugar was all about eating black wimmin and plowing dem!

[4truth]

Can’t have a reasonable argument with Floyd’s hardcore fans. You can’t reasonably discuss IVs, catchweights or fights that didn’t happen while opponents were in their prime.

So, no.
You can have an argument, just not a reasonable one.

[landotter]

Great post.

I think the boxing fanbase is the only fanbase where a lot of fans are denial about how much superior boxers are today. Every common sense detail is ignored.

In an NBA discussion, claiming Tom Heinsohn, who played in a majority white NBA, is better than Kobe Bryant, would get you laughed at. Heinsohn has 11 championships right? How many does Bryant have, 5? Yep, proof enough that Heinsohn is better.

Magic Johnson, scored around 17k-18k points. Jerry West scored 25k+ points. In NBA, discussion, if go around saying Jerry West was better, you’d get slapped, laughed at, and lose your basketball credibility. But Jerry, in a majority white NBA, scored more points than Magic, doesn’t that make him better? No, it does not.

In boxing discussions, it’s a completely different story. You are now talking about a fanbase consists of a lot of fans who don’t live in reality. Gene Tunney KO’s Tyson Fury, Mike Tyson wouldn’t last a round vs Max Schmeling, and Mayweather would have no answer for Barney Ross. And going around claiming these nonsensical opinions wouldn’t get you laughed at, it will get you high fives and into the circles of the pretentious boxing elitist.

Wow. While I get your point, I think it denies a certain sports reality: You simply CANNOT compare eras. In Jerry Wests day, he played against his peers and worked by the standards of that era. OBVIOUSLY the athletes of 20 years later were better, just like todays athlete is better than 20 years ago. Medical advances, nutrition advances, and mistakes made by the athletes, trainers, and coaches/managers of the past assure that. But the athletes of their day should be looked at for THEIR day, not in context of the entire history of the sport.

I love to start arguments among my fellow sports nuts that Wilt Chamberlain was better than Jordan, that the baseball stars of the radio era were better than any of the last 20 years, and that Unitas is a better QB than Montana, Elway, or Brady. Do i mean it? Nah. But it is an easy argument to make because of how much better they were IN THEIR ERA than some of the stars of today were. It is the only way to judge. They played when they played. I wish every sport was equal at all times, but it is not true. Chamberlain surely could play in today's NBA, but he would just be a role player. Jordan would not dominate against todays NBA like he did the flat footed, defense first NBA of his era. Most of the HW champs of the 70's couldn't compete at CW in todays boxing world. Does that make them less? Do we just ignore what they accomplished due to modern day bias because we did not live those athletes prime?

Sorry if i am reading more into your post than you meant. Just the way I perceived it.


Floyd had a tremendous run against some of the toughest fighters of his era early in his career. He than became the biggest name in boxing. Period. Bigger than anyone. He than got to control his career based on earning that, and sure he protected his brand. So what? For his era, he was one of the best and easily the biggest. OP has an argument. I absolutely disagree, but the argument is there.

[Rec28]

Can’t have a reasonable argument with Floyd’s hardcore fans. You can’t reasonably discuss IVs, catchweights or fights that didn’t happen while opponents were in their prime.

So, no.
You can have an argument, just not a reasonable one.

Yup exactly, you see them marching in dropping everything in their life to these boards along with the other follow ups which are the ones that love him but just not as much as the first entries,

sad.

[maguirre]

Yawn.................

[jqSide]

Never ending arguments, which is exactly what this thread is for.

[Roadblock]

Yup exactly, you see them marching in dropping everything in their life to these boards along with the other follow ups which are the ones that love him but just not as much as the first entries,

sad.

Thats funny that's exactly how I see haters, they live in these threads way more than Floyd fans.

Something that's very strange with haters, they can never see or acknowledge what they do they are ALWAYS the pot calling the kettle black.