This Era has a solid No. 2 Heavyweight - And it Ain't Anthony Joshua!

[REDEEMER]

Explain to me why he was not fully prepared? Tyson Fury was fully prepared, he had a full training camp and a few comeback fights.

He was not in the his best condition, but that is just how things are sometimes in sport.

The fight was also a draw. Fury was knocked down twice, and backed up all night. You do not win world titles like that.

You have a issue with Deontay Wilder, the same why people have a issue with Anthony Joshua. You mock and dismiss his achievements and efforts just like some people do against Joshua. You know what I am saying is correct, and you do not like it at all.

Just Check yourself, and everything will be alright..

That is all I have to say here to be honest mate.

Everyone knows he spent half or at least the last weeks of his training camp in the hospital with his wife and had no proper preparation fir Wilder in the third fight because his newborn nearly died . you can continue to stretch things on here but the way I deal with posters like you on here is when you get out of line now is simple….I just show facts .

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b1916944.html

Everyone also knows he was not remotely at a level he should be in the first fight that’s something weird ppl would argue .

Only the second fight was he at his best and he embarrassed Wilder so if you can’t understand these things of why the trilogy actually was one sided and a near shut out of winning rounds well it’s better you then me .


“Just Check yourself”

I hope you see the irony of this remark it’s like Bills comment of not crossing over the line where he continues to make childish threads and posts lies on here now that he’s been called on the things he does on the forum . After A.J wins it won’t really matter he’ll be gone and at least you know slightly more about modern boxing then he does but I can do this all day be my guest ?

[P to the J]

Redeemer lost virtually all his picks lol. NObody ever made a ban bet with him. Shoulder Roll owned him on a bet... And I will submit the following as proof: Look at how desperately Redeemer has tried to weasel out from this bet. It will be a miracle if he follows through. Ban bet... this guy can't even get a pick right!

Lol, I’m just here for the banter, mate.

I don’t know what’s gonna be on the AJ-Usyk card, but billeau2-redeemer is my personal co-headliner now you guys have ramped the stakes up

[Willow The Wisp]

We will know a lot after Usyk and Joshua fight again, but some of the same issues will repeat. These notions of how to determine the quality of opposition where very subjective statements are used to draw conclusions.

For example, the fact that Ortiz is "over 40" should be carefully balanced against his performance. Many people here thought Martin would destroy Ortiz lol. The people often turn around and Assume that based on the fact that Ortiz is over 40, Martin should be denigrated to some scrap heap. Is it really relevant that Ortiz is over 40? or is the important point that he beat Martin?

There are many ways to approach creating an order, as long as the criteria applies to all fighters equally and are not simply fanciful notions.

I agree with all of this. Of course, subjectivity can never be fully removed when makinf ranking order outside of statistical criteria. Therefore, the subjective calculation must be HIGHLY INFORMED as well as highly INTEGRATIOUS. Win loss alonge gets you nowhere. Is Berbick better than Ali? For examole. Knowledge and integrity folks.

[PRINCEKOOL]

Everyone knows he spent half or at least the last weeks of his training camp in the hospital with his wife and had no proper preparation fir Wilder in the third fight because his newborn nearly died . you can continue to stretch things on here but the way I deal with posters like you on here is when you get out of line now is simple….I just show facts .

https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...-b1916944.html

Everyone also knows he was not remotely at a level he should be in the first fight that’s something weird ppl would argue .

Only the second fight was he at his best and he embarrassed Wilder so if you can’t understand these things of why the trilogy actually was one sided and a near shut out of winning rounds well it’s better you then me .


“Just Check yourself”

I hope you see the irony of this remark it’s like Bills comment of not crossing over the line where he continues to make childish threads and posts lies on here now that he’s been called on the things he does on the forum . After A.J wins it won’t really matter he’ll be gone and at least you know slightly more about modern boxing then he does but I can do this all day be my guest ?

I am sure every single boxer in history can use life situations, to explain their performances. I get what you are saying, but? It does not prove me wrong, on the actual trilogy.

Tyson Fury had 3 fights with Deontay Wilder, and was knocked down 4-5 times. They are the facts. The videos are out there mate, all the footage is out there to prove that it was not a easy trilogy.

To knock a opponent down, you need to inflict considerable damage on that fighter.

Taking all of this into consideration, I cannot and will not? Refer to Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder as a easy trilogy.

Regardless of what went on outside the ring, that does not change what happened inside the ring. That does not change the violence, and the warrior exploits.

I am adamant that the three Wilder fights, have influenced Fury's decision to get out of the game.

In order for Fury to conclusively end the trilogy, he had to show resolve, endurance, durability and courage.

There has been no other opponent who has asked so much of Tyson Fury 'And there may never be another fighter who does again'.

You may mock Wilder and dismiss his efforts. But even Tyson Fury's own people, fighting men. None of them have denied Deontay Wilder.

Note: Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II was not a embarrassing fight. Wilder took a beating, but once again? Wilder never gave up, and he was still fighting back at the time of the stoppage 'Those are the facts' Fury did not score a legitimate knock out. It took until the third fight for Tyson Fury to conclusive end the trilogy.

I am done with this thread.

[REDEEMER]

I am sure every single boxer in history can use life situations, to explain their performances. I get what you are saying, but? It does not prove me wrong, on the actual trilogy.

Tyson Fury had 3 fights with Deontay Wilder, and was knocked down 4-5 times. They are the facts. The videos are out there mate, all the footage is out there to prove that it was not a easy trilogy.

To knock a opponent down, you need to inflict considerable damage on that fighter.

Taking all of this into consideration, I cannot and will not? Refer to Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder as a easy trilogy.

Regardless of what went on outside the ring, that does not change what happened inside the ring. That does not change the violence, and the warrior exploits.

I am adamant that the three Wilder fights, have influenced Fury's decision to get out of the game.

In order for Fury to conclusively end the trilogy, he had to show resolve, endurance, durability and courage.

There has been no other opponent who has asked so much of Tyson Fury 'And there may never be another fighter who does again'.

You may mock Wilder and dismiss his efforts. But even Tyson Fury's own people, fighting men. None of them have denied Deontay Wilder.

Note: Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II was not a embarrassing fight. Wilder took a beating, but once again? Wilder never gave up, and he was still fighting back at the time of the stoppage 'Those are the facts' Fury did not score a legitimate knock out. It took until the third fight for Tyson Fury to conclusive end the trilogy.

I am done with this thread.

You were done after this excuse which I posted the link showing why Fury did not have an ideal situation for the third fight not to mention his chief sparring partner had to leave his camp .

“I am sure every single boxer in history can use life situations, to explain their performances”

Let me ask you this how many fighters had a newborn nearly dying and a chief sparring partner not available at the start of the camp ,none of that matters though right anything to stick with your original stance on things and be a weirdo and yes when you make a fight racially motivated and tie it to black history month bc he’s fighting a white guy and make costume excuses like all of which Wilder did in the second fight that’s pretty embarrassing ?

And no real fan at that point should have even been rooting for Wilder no matter what color they are because he actually went over the line and a champion pushing racist agendas like he did and not the first time is very dangerous for the sport and after he lost the forum somewhat became normal again but now Fury fans took over the craziness share where Wildes fans left off but they’re not much different two separate groups way out there and say the the most unbelievable things that doesn’t even register as truths , right ?

[Willow The Wisp]

I am sure every single boxer in history can use life situations, to explain their performances. I get what you are saying, but? It does not prove me wrong, on the actual trilogy.

Tyson Fury had 3 fights with Deontay Wilder, and was knocked down 4-5 times. They are the facts. The videos are out there mate, all the footage is out there to prove that it was not a easy trilogy.

To knock a opponent down, you need to inflict considerable damage on that fighter.

Taking all of this into consideration, I cannot and will not? Refer to Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder as a easy trilogy.

Regardless of what went on outside the ring, that does not change what happened inside the ring. That does not change the violence, and the warrior exploits.

I am adamant that the three Wilder fights, have influenced Fury's decision to get out of the game.

In order for Fury to conclusively end the trilogy, he had to show resolve, endurance, durability and courage.

There has been no other opponent who has asked so much of Tyson Fury 'And there may never be another fighter who does again'.

You may mock Wilder and dismiss his efforts. But even Tyson Fury's own people, fighting men. None of them have denied Deontay Wilder.

Note: Tyson Fury vs Deontay Wilder II was not a embarrassing fight. Wilder took a beating, but once again? Wilder never gave up, and he was still fighting back at the time of the stoppage 'Those are the facts' Fury did not score a legitimate knock out. It took until the third fight for Tyson Fury to conclusive end the trilogy.

I am done with this thread.

100% my friend. Fury made his legend off of Wilder just as Ali made his by going 2-1 against Frazier (who was able to deck Ali only once). Fury vs. Wilder was LEGENDARY and it takes TWO great fighters to make that happen. ...meanwhile, Joshua sat ouside the show because he TWICE couldn't get past his mandatory challengers....and HE gets to be called better than Fury and Wilder?????? Hahahaha...NO.

[Willow The Wisp]

Looking over this thred, tossing the fact based and reasonable posts on one side and the girly, emo posts on the other, its pretty strait forward to conclude that Tyson Fury is the #1 Heavyweight of the past 7 years and Deontay Wilder is the #2. I agree that the question is buttoned up solid with the inevitable exception of a few stragglers. The next question is this: What does Anthony Joshua have to do to retain the #3 spot against Oleksandr Usyk in their rematch? Obviously, when weighing his impressive run against three terrible losses against two guys who would have little chance against the top two, Fury & Wilder (most likely), and fights where he lost to underdogs (except the one upcoming where the odds reflect lack of faith in Joshua as much as anything Usyk has ever done at heavyweight), we're looking at damaged goods. Would another loss to Usyk knock him back behind Ruiz, Usyk, Ortiz, and mabe even Joyce amongst his era's peers????

[Willow The Wisp]

I still like Fury as the #1 Heavyweight of this generation and Deontay Wilder as the #2. But as of right now, at least; a new fact has emerged. In their historic trilogy both fighters suffered great punishment. But as of right now, based on the words of the two fighters just today, it appears that their wars have pushed Fury to a declaration of retirement; but not Wilder!!

https://www.************.com/2022/07...or-retirement/

This further supports the idea that Wilder is no worse than #2. And by very, very little.

Fury, it is widely believed, will end his retirement if Joshua can redeem his reputation and reverse his latest loss. After that, Joshua would again be presented with another chance to fulfill his promise, as the leading heavyweight of this generation, should he go on to earn a win over Fury late this or early next year.
Regardless of what happens in Usyk-Joshua II, neither fighter involved there has any opportunity to unseat Wilder as modern day nunber II. None.
Joshua and Usyk are only competing against themselves for a number 3 spot, and with Usyk's two supremely important opponents Joshua and Mairis Briedis BOTH having lost their last fight, a win in their fight holds nothing to gain ground on either Fury or Wilder; only a collection of empty figurehead belts and a possiby shop at real champion Fury.

[kafkod]

100% my friend. Fury made his legend off of Wilder just as Ali made his by going 2-1 against Frazier (who was able to deck Ali only once). Fury vs. Wilder was LEGENDARY and it takes TWO great fighters to make that happen. ...meanwhile, Joshua sat ouside the show because he TWICE couldn't get past his mandatory challengers....and HE gets to be called better than Fury and Wilder?????? Hahahaha...NO.

Ali made his legend by beating Liston, one of the most feared HW champs ever, then coming back after 3 years out and beating, not just Frazier, but also Foreman and all the top HW contenders of his era. ALI FOUGHT THEM ALL AND SO DID FRAZIER. Imagine if, after beating Ali in their first fight, Smoking Joe had said, "I just beat The Greatest, I don't need to fight that bum Foreman. I'm fighting Ali again next" Then after winning the rematch, same thing from Ali - Nobody wants to see me school a big, slow fool like Foreman. What would be the point of that? Everybody knows me and Joe are the best in the division. I'm gonna fight Frazier one last time then retire" v

[REDEEMER]

Looking over this thred, tossing the fact based and reasonable posts on one side and the girly, emo posts on the other, its pretty strait forward to conclude that Tyson Fury is the #1 Heavyweight of the past 7 years and Deontay Wilder is the #2. I agree that the question is buttoned up solid with the inevitable exception of a few stragglers. The next question is this: What does Anthony Joshua have to do to retain the #3 spot against Oleksandr Usyk in their rematch? Obviously, when weighing his impressive run against three terrible losses against two guys who would have little chance against the top two, Fury & Wilder (most likely), and fights where he lost to underdogs (except the one upcoming where the odds reflect lack of faith in Joshua as much as anything Usyk has ever done at heavyweight), we're looking at damaged goods. Would another loss to Usyk knock him back behind Ruiz, Usyk, Ortiz, and mabe even Joyce amongst his era's peers????

“Wilder ends up with one more qualified opponent than AJ does, which stands to reason given that Deontay Wildet has so many more total fights”


“Looking over this thred, tossing the fact based and reasonable posts on one side and the girly, emo posts on the other, its pretty strait forward to conclude that Tyson Fury is the #1 Heavyweight of the past 7 years and Deontay Wilder is the #2”

“Regardless of what happens in Usyk-Joshua II, neither fighter involved there has any opportunity to unseat Wilder as modern day nunber II. None”