Canelo should be ranked higher than FloydJr on the all timers list.

[Haka]

So you created a thread that anyone with even a sliver of boxing savvy wouldn’t agree with and when it goes south, you want everyone who disagrees to leave? GTFOH!

Start reading the thread they are not even discussing but directly shytting it up without arguments.

[hhh1200]

He's got talent, fast hand and flashy combos, but damn he sits down on all his punches, including the jab. Dude cant throw on the move at all. And doesnt protect himself when he throws. He is about to get countered into tomorrow.

Whatta you mean on the move? Canelo has flat feet and short arms on a 5'7 frame. It's not like he has to do a 360 to find Canelo.

[STREET CLEANER]

Floyd beat Canelo when Canelo was GREEN. The haters are going to say: Floyd was prime at 23 yrs old so Canelo should too.

Here is why that is a faulty comparison:

Floyd was getting world class training (Roger, Floyd Sr) since he could walk, Canelo started boxing at 13. Those are already 8 years difference in experience (if Floyd started at 5yrs of age for ex.). Age 5-13 are very formative so getting the proper training in childhood is what very much makes the difference. It means that in the Floyd - Canelo fight, Canelo had 10 yrs of experience and Floyd 30+ years experience.

Now the reason why Canelo is ranked higher is because Floyd did the chicken dance after coming out of retirement (because his skillset had not much turnover rate at the higher weights). He took on Maiden, Berto, Ghost, Ortiz, Baldomir etc. etc. Fights that Floyd was a heavy favourite in before hand by the bookies (for good reason since most fighters were cherrypicked bums.) Instead the fans wanted to see dangerous fights with: Williams, Prime Cotto, Wright, GGG, Mosley (2008), Tszyu, Margarito, Prime Pac, Lara. Floyd ducked them all.

Canelo is now taking on these dangerous fight that Floyd never dared to take in fighting Bivol. Fighting Bivol is alike Floyd fighting Lara (which never happened). So that is why.

With that rational Canelo should be over Pac too.

[Comanche]

Whatta you mean on the move? Canelo has flat feet and short arms on a 5'7 frame. It's not like he has to do a 360 to find Canelo.

If you cant throw on the move, or protect yourself when you throw, it just makes you a stationary target. Bivol sits down in his stance every time he pops off. Canelo is too good of a counter puncher, he will pick him off with shots Bivol wont see coming.

[Comanche]

Start reading the thread they are not even discussing but directly shytting it up without arguments.

Come on man, the premise is bull and you know it. Wouldnt we all be better off talking about the upcoming fights?

[just the facts]

Old worn Manny (but the fight was razor close), JMM that came up first time from 135lbs where May came in 2 lbs overweight at 146 (this was his only good win altough sadly for the weight issue, he did beat Marquez at his own game). And the Green Canelo one is what this thread is about.

Agenda driven bu!!shyte. Floyd was older than Manny and there was absolutely nothing close about the fight.

JMM, you got a point about the weight, but the rest of that is dumb.

42-0 with 6 title defenses isn’t green.

[Joe Grizzley]

Nel o was more green as he improved so much since trout and Floyd fights. Whilst wilder just relay on power.
Nelos got a resume under belt now, the one Floyd fought hadnt. And today's below beats people easier and looksvscary

Big myth hes improved so much since the Floyd fight. The only thing different he does now is Floyd moves, he looks to counter. Besides that he's the same exact fighter. Canelo is cherry picking so of course he looks good doing it.

When he fought Floyd he had the WBC and the WBA belts. You're not green at 42-0 with two major belts, that's not how it works!

You want examples of green? I'll give you 2!

1. A 20-0 Vargas fighting a 38-0 Trinidad. Vargas was brought up extremely fast.
2. A 14-0 David Reid fighting a 36-0 Trinidad. Look at Reids record, crazy amateur talent and they rushed him like crazy because of his eye RECORD HERE.

Canelo isn't that good and got questionable wins, a lot of them on his record. The fans gargling his nuts reminds me of the Pactárd era. Crazy town!

[Haka]

To me all his previous wins is in the same category as Floyd's but now the Bivol fight is Floyd's Lara fight. So if he wins against Bivol he is higher than Floyd.

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[The Big Dunn]

Canelo beat Lara 10 months after Floyd beat him. Canelo was still “green” since it was only 10 months later.

If “green “ Canelo beat Lara ( you can argue Lara won imo) after a shutout loss to Floyd, how does a win over Lara elevate Floyd so much that Canelo wouldn’t pass him by beating Bivol?

For this to make sense you either have to overrate Lara at that point in his career ( solely because Floyd didn’t fight him) or elevate Bivol despite him not being considered a top p4p opponent (solely because Canelo is fighting him.)

Bivol right now isn’t ranked higher than Corrales, Hatton, Shane, Cotto, Manny or Canelo p4p when Floyd fought them. Bivol hasn’t defeated anyone NSB considers great, although his resume imo is solid.

If Canelo wins, Floyd will have more title fights wins, 25, than Bivol has pro fights, 20. The best of Bivol’s resume will be salamov, chiemba, pascal and Sullivan Barrera. Add Joe Smith Jr. as a B/C level win.

Are any of these wins more impressive than Castillo 2x, corrales, zab, Genaro or Mandredy? Even Jesus Chavez who Floyd beat went on to win a world title 2x.

I guess the TS is just suffering from recency bias. Maybe he’s just a huge Canelo fan and went a bit overboard.