Canelo should be ranked higher than FloydJr on the all timers list.

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  • Roadblock
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    #71
    Originally posted by hugh grant

    I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto
    Hoorah you finally get it,, the reason for a CW is to squeeze your opponent to get a weaker version, that's right but there is more under your blanket, why I say not all CWs are equal is because the effects are not equal, Canelo had a 7lb advantage over Cotto, a 7lb bigger man on the scales, if they were both 147 guys its the same 2lb but Canelo being a weight class higher has more buffer, and you could see it in the fights themselves, as an example go lower and say a 128 CW in a 130 fight could be a huge advantage, where as a 158 CW in a MW bout would hardly matter a fck, there is more science to it but you get the picture, CWs are an individual deal, and very much is depended on the size of the fighter, like 2lb to a HW is non exist, 2 pound to a flyweight is killer, that's why Cottos CW hurt him more than Canelos hurt him, plus the style of fighter Manny heavy-handed aggressive, Floyd skill and boxing, another way to put it is that Cottos strength and resistance was in need more than what Canelo needed it, he couldn't catch Floyds feet, don't matter how strong he is when the speed is killing you.
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    • PRINCEKOOL
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      #72
      Originally posted by hugh grant

      I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto, of course PAC/Floyd hoped people don't think of theyve beaten weakest versions, but it's our responsibility as boxing fans to see through it.
      2 pounds is not going to make a dramatic difference, the difference was skill, technique, endurance, stamina. 2 pound does not achieve that.

      Alvarez was shown a different level, and could not cope. Alvarez agreed to the fight, thought he was the big man 'And was beaten easily'.

      That is the end of it mate.

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      • just the facts
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        #73
        Originally posted by TreyShaw
        Canelo will be ranked greater than Floyd when it's all said and done.
        Canelo is a great fighter for sure but unless he tries a run at hwt, I just don’t see the level of competition on the horizon that will equal lopsided wins over Canelo, Pac, and JMM. Not Canelo’s fault, you can only fight who’s there.

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        • QueensburyRules
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          #74
          Originally posted by hugh grant

          I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto, of course PAC/Floyd hoped people don't think of theyve beaten weakest versions, but it's our responsibility as boxing fans to see through it.
          - - l'l floydy catchweight mandatory to get the Cenelo fight made. Cotto catchweight an optional financial incentive, $300K to be a single pound under his Clottey weight of 146. Had Cotto come in at 147, fight is still on.

          Had Canelo come in at 154, that fight is Canceled with a half dozen sparmates on retainer for l'l floydy to pick for the replacement.

          Never mentioned but played a huge role when Oscar forced to recuse to a celebrity drug/drunk rehab completely isolated from the rest of the world, so he could nothing to protest the heavy handed officiating by Bayless constantly interfering Canelo when not warning him.

          Also not mentioned that was the first of 2 consecutive Majority Decisions for l'l floydy that broke his UD streak, decisions that outside of his hometown officiating might well have been losses.

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