Canelo should be ranked higher than FloydJr on the all timers list.

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I think so, soon we can see how those GGG experiences improved him.

The thing is it was Floyd that beat him, undefeated ATG, and Canelo is himself becoming an ATG, which changes the matrix of that match, its not just a loss like Horn over Manny or, DeJesus over Duran, whenever you beat an ATG its significant, but because of how modern day big Floyd and Canelo are, its becomes way more than that historically,.

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The thing is it was Floyd that beat him, undefeated ATG, and Canelo is himself becoming an ATG, which changes the matrix of that match, its not just a loss like Horn over Manny or, DeJesus over Duran, whenever you beat an ATG its significant, but because of how modern day big Floyd and Canelo are, its becomes way more than that historically,.

DeJesus over Duran:

"But then disaster struck and Duran risked not just the upcoming fight but also his life. Driving up a hillside in his homeland, Roberto veered off-road. The resulting injuries, while not severe, should have postponed the match. Duran suffered lacerations to his lips that required stitches as well as an elbow injury. Customary to the Duran mythos, he shrugged it off, had a few drinks, and then made the trek to America."

This is part of the appeal of Duran. And it says alot about him as a man and as a fighter. Floyd has not shown it , so we cannot place them on the same statue in this regard.

Horn over Manny:

Horn is a natural 154lber and Manny being a natural smaller guy was also of becoming of age. You have to understand (and I think that you do) that Manny in his prime was a supercar Ferrari, levels above Canelo currently. So if there are little quirks, then it does not work that well. Then again massive props for Manny in taking that fight and by showing up fighting fire with fire against a solid 154 guy in top condition, which is the most difficult thing way to fight when you are undersized.

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If you wanna say he wasn't the same fighter as he is today I agree. Calling someone "green" at 42-0 is a tough sell IMO.

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If you wanna say he wasn't the same fighter as he is today I agree. Calling someone "green" at 42-0 is a tough sell IMO.

But it was a cw. It's hard to decide how much credit a cw win should get. I mean PAC stopping cotto to me is the greatest win of all time if there wasn't a cw. But with the cw it's of course taken shine off win. But I think PAC would have beat cotto anyway but maybe wouldn't have stopped him. So I consider it a tremendous win still. But trying to get advantage you should quite rightly be penelised

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DeJesus over Duran:

"But then disaster struck and Duran risked not just the upcoming fight but also his life. Driving up a hillside in his homeland, Roberto veered off-road. The resulting injuries, while not severe, should have postponed the match. Duran suffered lacerations to his lips that required stitches as well as an elbow injury. Customary to the Duran mythos, he shrugged it off, had a few drinks, and then made the trek to America."

This is part of the appeal of Duran. And it says alot about him as a man and as a fighter. Floyd has not shown it , so we cannot place them on the same statue in this regard.

Horn over Manny:

Horn is a natural 154lber and Manny being a natural smaller guy was also of becoming of age. You have to understand (and I think that you do) that Manny in his prime was a supercar Ferrari, levels above Canelo currently. So if there are little quirks, then it does not work that well. Then again massive props for Manny in taking that fight and by showing up fighting fire with fire against a solid 154 guy in top condition, which is the most difficult thing way to fight when you are undersized.

It went over your head like a Boeing 747, put in any name of a nonfamous guy that beat an ATG , the difference here is that a ATG beat another ATG., and that changes everything historically, this is one of those things that will see unfold.

[Roadblock]

But it was a cw. It's hard to decide how much credit a cw win should get.

Mannys CWs are very low credit, is that what youre saying.

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Mannys CWs are very low credit, is that what youre saying.

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This forum was full of people saying Floyd would NEVER fight Canelo

It was anticlimactic fight, because of how one sided the fight was etc.

That fight was Mayweather's last great performance. After this fight, I have always stated that he was there for the taking.

Mayweather would of stopped Alvarez years before, although his speed, timing, processing speed was still supreme against Alvarez.

His underrated physical strength was decreasing. Mayweather was never a monster puncher, but I think he was really strong physically. Natural strength, not weight lifting strength.

The same kind of specific strength Tyson Fury has in the ring. Fury for his size is not really that impressive at weight lifting, but he is really strong inside the ring. Lennox Lewis, George Foreman also had this same sport specific strength.

Notice how Alvarez never called for the rematch, I do not remember him aggressively pursuing a rematch.

He was shown a different level, and understood that he needed to retreat and work to the future.

There are certain fights you have to win, certain moments in a athletes career were it is critical that they win.

Mike Tyson vs Trevor Berbick, Muhammad Ali vs Sonny Liston, Sugar Ray Leonard vs Thomas Hearns, Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Kiltschko.

David Haye vs Nikolai Valuev, Chris Eubank Senior vs Nigel Benn, and the list goes on.

There is always that defining fight, that moment where greatest is so close. When Alvarez faced Mayweather, that was his moment.

And the fact of the matter is? He did not win the fight.

Do you know, I have no idea who Alvarez beat to become world champion for the first time? No idea, it was not a defining fight.

Since the Mayweather loss, I have always believe Alvarez has been trying to slay the dragon of that loss.

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It was anticlimactic fight, because of how one sided the fight was etc.

That fight was Mayweather's last great performance. After this fight, I have always stated that he was there for the taking.

ring. Lennox Lewis, George Foreman also had this same sport specific strength.

Notice how Alvarez never called for the rematch, I do not remember him aggressively pursuing a rematch.

He was shown a different level, and understood that he needed to retreat and work to the future.

There are certain fights you have to win, certain moments in a athletes career were it is critical that they win.



There is always that defining fight, that moment where greatest is so close. When Alvarez faced Mayweather, that was his moment.

And the fact of the matter is? He did not win the fight.

Do you know, I have no idea who Alvarez beat to become world champion for the first time? No idea, it was not a defining fight.

Since the Mayweather loss, I have always believe Alvarez has been trying to slay the dragon of that loss.

I think your overanalyzing. Melo was supposed to lose that fight he was underdog for a reason. Nelo has stated he beats any version of Floyd now. Floyd was never interested in rematching nelo. As Floyd was banking on getting weakest version possible that's why the cw. That's why PAC had cw with cotto, of course PAC/Floyd hoped people don't think of theyve beaten weakest versions, but it's our responsibility as boxing fans to see through it.

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Did you get it signed by a judge?