Well, not exactly, but really I should have read the original post I quoted more carefully because you do straight up state in your own way of saying you give no ****s about casual opinion. So, this next bit really doesn't matter but as a matter of fact I was referring to Joshua's betting odds. So, yes, Ruiz, also Usyk, and any fights that may have had surprising outcomes based on their odds alone.
Again, I realize I didn't read your post properly and that's not really a point that has anything to do with what you said, at this point I am just explaining myself.
For me, if I were to list all my neigh saying I've done through AJ's career I'd make this post very long, I know because I started to. So he's definitely overachieved in my book.
But I was considering how most people probably use bookies as experts. Hard to categorize a guy who lets down the masses as an overachiever even if my own opinion was so much lower of the guy that's the only thing I could possibly call him on any kind of personal level.
Guess the quickest thing I could have said was being anti-casual is a bias too
Well, not exactly, but really I should have read the original post I quoted more carefully because you do straight up state in your own way of saying you give no ****s about casual opinion. So, this next bit really doesn't matter but as a matter of fact I was referring to Joshua's betting odds. So, yes, Ruiz, also Usyk, and any fights that may have had surprising outcomes based on their odds alone.
Again, I realize I didn't read your post properly and that's not really a point that has anything to do with what you said, at this point I am just explaining myself.
For me, if I were to list all my neigh saying I've done through AJ's career I'd make this post very long, I know because I started to. So he's definitely overachieved in my book.
But I was considering how most people probably use bookies as experts. Hard to categorize a guy who lets down the masses as an overachiever even if my own opinion was so much lower of the guy that's the only thing I could possibly call him on any kind of personal level.
Guess the quickest thing I could have said was being anti-casual is a bias too
Doubts about his ability are fine. Everyone had those.
For me, Joshua was the one that I hoped could succeed simply because his mission was to become Undisputed and his actions backed it up. He made unification fights, he met his mandatories and he had enough commercial value to make the big fights happen.
Fury has never cared about Undisputed. Wilder talked about 'one face, one name' but his actions never really backed it up as he went with weak defences over unifications.
That's why Joshua is currently the biggest disappointment for me. He actually wanted us to have an Undisputed champion (being him). And at this point it's looking unlikely.
I know this is a troll post and that I'm potentially taking the bait like an idiot here, but to me Fury is the precise opposite of what the OP is asking for. When Fury was still mostly fighting on Channel 5 in the UK I'd watch his fights relatively frequently and never thought he'd amount to anything more than a footnote to the careers of better fighters. I remember watching Fury getting floored by Pajkic and Cunningham and then fumble his way to wins both times, then turning to the friends and family members I was watching with and conclude that he was nothing more than a big body with few skills and even less brains. Everyone would agree with me. If I were to go back in time to one of those moments and say that actually he'd end up dethroning Wlad and cementing himself as the division kingpin past me would have laughed at me.
Don't mind admitting I was wrong now but my assessment of Fury was much the same as yours. **** even after the Wlad win I was still telling folk it was much more to do with Wlad slipping than Fury being anything special. I mean... TBH in some ways you could you could even argue that outboxing Wilder x3 doesn't exactly require a paragon of the sweet science, but at some point I figured I had to start giving the man his credit.
Don't mind admitting I was wrong now but my assessment of Fury was much the same as yours. **** even after the Wlad win I was still telling folk it was much more to do with Wlad slipping than Fury being anything special. I mean... TBH in some ways you could you could even argue that outboxing Wilder x3 doesn't exactly require a paragon of the sweet science, but at some point I figured I had to start giving the man his credit.
Yeah, i was honestly more impressed with how effortlessly Fury handled Chisora in their second fight than anything else he's done.
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