Is 20% for Dillian Shyte fair given his market value?

[WBC WBA IBF]

So why are they negotiating from 45% down to 20% ?

So you admit you posted old rules no longer listed in the WBC rules section and tried to trick everyone?

Whyte is allowed to request 45%. The request won't be approved, but he's allowed to request it. The problem is that his promoter went on a propaganda campaign, which you assisted with, trying to trick the public into believing WBC interim champions are entitled to 45%. Which isn't true. It's a lie. A lie you assisted with.

That is what’s going on right in arbitration ? Why is there an arbitration if 45% doesn’t exist currently ?

Nobody can stop Whyte from filing a grievance. It doesn't mean he'll win. The facts have never been on his side. His promoter has been on a four year campaign to try to trick the public about Whyte's WBC position and you have participated in the campaign and tried to trick everyone here.

Why did you post old rules no longer listed in the WBC rules section and try to trick everyone?

Why hasn’t the WBC come out and say Hearn is lying

Because they're in the middle of binding arbitration and it's inappropriate to comment on a pending legal situation. Hearn knows he will likely lose and is trying to fight a public relations battle to turn fans against the WBC and build sympathy for Whyte when he loses. The WBC isn't going to play those kinds of games. They're going to let the process play out.

Because if no 45. % is possible there wouldn’t be any arbitration about splits to what that rule is right ?

Whyte filed his grievance before the mandatory was even called. As part of his case that already existed, he's also asked the arbiter to rule on the split as he is objecting to Fury's request for 80/20.

Because Hearn knows that the public doesn't understand how sanctioning bodies work, part of Hearn's strategy as a con artist is to do interviews where he convinces the public he's going to "educate" them about the inner workings of boxing. He does this to gain the trust of the fans and then he lies to them to gain favor for his fighters. This is why he lied when Whyte won the silver title and said it made him mandatory. He knew it didn't make him mandatory, but he knew fans wouldn't know that, so he lied to them. He lied when Whyte fought a semi-final eliminator and said it was a final eliminator to determine the mandatory. He lied and tried to trick fans into thinking being rated #1 makes you the mandatory (it doesn't, it just entitles you to a final eliminator).

Whyte's entire campaign to become WBC mandatory has been built on lie after lie after lie. The latest lie was that interim champions are entitled to 45%. You've seen the current rules yourself. You know it's a lie. So you posted old rules to try to trick everyone.

[WBC WBA IBF]

Their opponents and context were different so to compare them directly is idiotic. Whyte is a big name and fight for Fury especially in the UK. To anyone that knows boxing , a 20% offer is pure ducking money.

Whyte is a big name compared to who? He's completely unknown outside of the UK. Fury is a huge name worldwide. Whyte has 400,000 followers. Fury has 5,400,000 followers. Fury earned $50 million in his last two fights. Whyte's filed purse for his last fight was 400k. If the normal split is 70/30, Fury absolutely is deserving of 80/20 since he is one of the biggest attractions in world boxing.

[WBC WBA IBF]

No special treatment. So 30% right?

30% is what he's entitled to unless the champion is of "outstanding marketing value." Because Fury is such a bigger star than Whyte, because Fury typically earns so much more than Whyte, because Fury is so many more fans than Whyte, the proper thing to do is to adjust the split to 80/20. Keep in mind when Fury was mandatory, the split was adjusted to 80/20 as well. It happens all the time. The only reason this is even a controversy is because Hearn lied to all the fans and said interim champions are entitled to 45%. It was a lie though and the UK fanboys fell for it like they always do.

Whyte isn't a nobody. He's headlined PPVs.

Whyte is a nobody outside of the UK. A UK PPV isn't a real PPV. It's 25% of the price of a real PPV and the population is 20% of a real PPV.

He's worthy of the minimum split.

Thank you for your inexperienced uneducated amateur opinion.

If he isn't, who is? When you move a level up from Whyte you start talking about exceptional challengers.

Just like the split for Klitschko was modified to 80% for several fights because he was such a bigger star than his challengers, the split for Fury will likely be modified to 80% for most challengers as well. Nobody knows who Whyte is outside of the UK.

And Fury doesn't make $25M a fight. He makes that when fighting Deontay Wilder.

But that's who his recent fights have been against.

The WBC rules say Whyte gets 30% as a minimum. They even limit what they can do in exceptional circumstances (40, 45, 50). Can you at least acknowledge that?

No, they don't say he gets 30% as a minimum. They say 30% is standard, but things can be adjusted if one of the fighters is of outstanding marketing value. Fury isn't a standard champion so the standard split doesn't apply. The split has been modified time and time again for over 30 years whenever one of the fighters is of outstanding marketing value.

[WBC WBA IBF]

I ran that pretender off the thread

I'm sorry I have a life and had Christmas dinner?!

[Toffee]

Whyte is a big name compared to who? He's completely unknown outside of the UK. Fury is a huge name worldwide. Whyte has 400,000 followers. Fury has 5,400,000 followers. Fury earned $50 million in his last two fights. Whyte's filed purse for his last fight was 400k. If the normal split is 70/30, Fury absolutely is deserving of 80/20 since he is one of the biggest attractions in world boxing.

You're using total earnings in two fights with Wilder compared to a filed purse in a near empty room.

Bit disingenuous? Remember that we're looking for 'exceptional circumstances' that would justify the WBC in staying from their very clear rules.

If Whyte is a nobody, then what was Fury's filed purse against Schwarz or Wallin?

[Toffee]

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No, they don't say he gets 30% as a minimum. They say 30% is standard, but things can be adjusted if one of the fighters is of outstanding marketing value. Fury isn't a standard champion so the standard split doesn't apply. The split has been modified time and time again for over 30 years whenever one of the fighters is of outstanding marketing value.

It absolutely says that. It says the split is 30/70. And that in exceptional circumstances (outstanding marketing value of the challenger) it can be higher - and even specifies what those splits can be (40/60, 45/55 or 50/50). That's exactly what the section dealing with championship fight purse splits says. You can't possibly debate that - it's factual and written in plain English.

The WBC, of course, have an overall rider across their rules that they can do whatever they want. But if you're relying on that then why even bother quoting the rules?

[WBC WBA IBF]

You're using total earnings in two fights with Wilder compared to a filed purse in a near empty room.

Fury's Top Rank deal is 5 fights, $100,000,000 guaranteed. All of you UK fanboys are seriously underestimating what a giant worldwide star Fury is compared to Whyte.

Fury was guaranteed $12,500,000 against Schwarz, $12,500,000 against Wallin, $28,000,000 against Wilder and $30,000,000 against Wilder. Even if he fights a nobody in his stay busy fight, Top Rank is on the hook for $17,000,000.

Fury is a commercial attraction of the highest echelon and absolutely is deserving of having the standard split modified.

[WBC WBA IBF]

The WBC, of course, have an overall rider across their rules that they can do whatever they want. But if you're relying on that then why even bother quoting the rules?

Because many people here, after being brainwashed by Eddie Hearn, were lying and saying WBC interim champions are entitled to 45%. That's not true. That's a lie. So I quoted the rule to show that WBC interim champions aren't entitled to any special treatment compared to a normal challenger.

So the question becomes, is Fury so much more valuable than Whyte that the WBC should invoke their ability to modify the split in Fury's favor? The answer is yes. Fury is one of the highest paid boxers on the planet and definitely deserving of more than the usual 70/30 split.

[ShoulderRoll]

It absolutely says that. It says the split is 30/70. And that in exceptional circumstances (outstanding marketing value of the challenger) it can be higher - and even specifies what those splits can be (40/60, 45/55 or 50/50). That's exactly what the section dealing with championship fight purse splits says. You can't possibly debate that - it's factual and written in plain English.

The WBC, of course, have an overall rider across their rules that they can do whatever they want. But if you're relying on that then why even bother quoting the rules?

Have other champions gotten an 80/20 split, yes or no?

[WBC WBA IBF]

Have other champions gotten an 80/20 split, yes or no?

Klitschko got 80/20 when Fury was the mandatory.