Is 20% for Dillian Shyte fair given his market value?

[Shadoww702]

Each org has their own standard purse bid split. Standard WBC split is 70/30 split of 90% of the bid, with 10% of the bid going to the winner of the fight. An interim champion would typically get more than 30%.

But, in "extraordinary" circumstances where one of the fighters is a huge star, his promoter can petition to have a special split. For instance, if a mandatory had ever tried to take Floyd Mayweather to a purse bid, the WBC likely would have modified the standard split to 90/10 because Mayweather can show he makes sooooo much more money than the opponent that 70/30 wouldn't be fair.

So that's what's going on here. Fury made $25 million per fight in his past two fights. Whyte made half a million. It's such a wide disparity that Top Rank was able to successfully lobby for an 80/20 split. It's well within the WBC rules for them to change the split when the recent purses of the fighters are that far apart.

Bingo!!!! 100% correct

[ShoulderRoll]

Whyte also got KO'd 2 fights ago against an old ass man.

Correct.

Shyte should just be grateful that he even has a shot at the heavyweight champion of the world. It's an opportunity to change his life if he can somehow beat Fury.

But instead of focusing on that he's trying to shake down the champ.

[WBC WBA IBF]

So currently with the Fury-Whyte situation the dispute is more between Whyte and the WBC than Fury and Whyte? It's the WBC who wants Whyte to accept figures closer to standard figures if not absolutely standard figures for a high profile champion. What I mean to say is if 75-25 is base for the WBA then one has to assume the WBC/IBF/WBO's standard is abouts. I know the old BR rules was 70-30, so 70-30, 75-25, 80-20, all sound about normal to me.

Correct. The dispute is between Whyte and the WBC. It's being handled in arbitration. The chances of Whyte winning are slim, due to this WBC rule:

"In its sole discretion, the WBC shall subsequently determine the timing and terms of any bout between a Champion and Interim Champion to determine a sole champion in the division, provided, however, that an Interim Champion shall never be deemed a mandatory challenger, or entitled to greater share of proceeds of any purse offer beyond that of a challenger, without a specific prior written order to that effect from the WBC President or his designee."

Only the WBA gives the interim champion 45% in a purse bid. There's nothing in the WBC rules granting interim champions any sort of special position in a purse bid. Whyte's legal position makes absolutely no sense.


In 1991, when Mike Tyson was Evander Holyfield's mandatory, Don King successfully lobbied for the (at the time) standard 75/25 WBC split to be modified to 60/40, due to Tyson's outstanding marketing value. The WBC changed the standard split from 75/25 to 70/30 years later, and then even more recently change it to 70/30 of 90% of the bid, 10% of the bid goes to the winner of the fight.

WBA is still 75/25. IBF fairly recently switched to 65/35%, which is the most generous challenger percentage in all of boxing.

WBO is 75/25 unless the fight takes place in the home country of the challenger, in which case it's 80/20.

[Toffee]

Correct. The dispute is between Whyte and the WBC. It's being handled in arbitration. The chances of Whyte winning are slim, due to this WBC rule:

"In its sole discretion, the WBC shall subsequently determine the timing and terms of any bout between a Champion and Interim Champion to determine a sole champion in the division, provided, however, that an Interim Champion shall never be deemed a mandatory challenger, or entitled to greater share of proceeds of any purse offer beyond that of a challenger, without a specific prior written order to that effect from the WBC President or his designee."

If the current state of play is 20% then I would have thought that rule makes him a good chance to win. It says he wouldn't be entitled to more than the challenger percentage (30%) unless approved by the WBC. It doesn't say they can give less.

2.17 Division of Proceeds in a Purse Offer. The net purse offer (after deduction of all sanction
fees payable to the WBC hereunder) shall be divided as follows:
(a) 70% for the champion and 30% for the challenger in title bouts; and
(b) 50% to each contender in the case of vacant titles or elimination bouts;
provided, however, that the WBC Board of Governors, may by a majority vote, authorize a
modification of the division of purse offer proceeds between boxers in a purse offer in
unusual or special cases, such as consideration of outstanding marketing value of one of the
boxers, as the WBC shall determine in its sole discretion. The modification of the split
shall be limited to 60-40% and 55-45%, except in the most exceptional circumstances, in
which the split may be modified to 50-50%.

In the rule you posted, and the purse procedures I've quoted above, it doesn't say they can reduce the challenger's purse. It says they can increase to 40%, 45%, or 50%.

Of course they have an overall rider basically saying they can do what they want if they choose to... but Whyte has been paying sanctioning fees for a while now. If they rip him off after taking his money under one set of rules then they can expect to be sued.

[WBC WBA IBF]

If the current state of play is 20% then I would have thought that rule makes him a good chance to win. It says he wouldn't be entitled to more than the challenger percentage (30%) unless approved by the WBC. It doesn't say they can give less.

Whyte's position is that interim champions are entitled to 45%. His position is ridiculous because that's a WBA rule and he's a WBC champion. The arbiter is going to laugh at him.

In the rule you posted, and the purse procedures I've quoted above, it doesn't say they can reduce the challenger's purse. It says they can increase to 40%, 45%, or 50%.

Of course they have an overall rider basically saying they can do what they want if they choose to... but Whyte has been paying sanctioning fees for a while now. If they rip him off after taking his money under one set of rules then they can expect to be sued.

Correct, the rule by which a champion can request more than 70% is under the catch all rule that the president can do anything he wants.

It'll be decided by an arbiter. With Fury making $25 million per fight and Whyte making half a million per fight, there's no way the arbiter will award Whyte 45%.

[FinitoxDinamita]

It depends on who he’s facing but 20% sounds generous for a fighter of his caliber and status.

[Brumsongs1]

- - Any split of nothing is still nothing by any other name as my good buddy Billy Shakes once informed me.

Furry could barely draw flies in England and not much more in the US where he found a safe haven from AJ.

Fury will sell out out any venue in Britain now. I'd argue he's better known than Joshua by some distance.

[Stuntman Mike]

i think hes worth a bit more than 20%, he has name value, like him or not plus he seems to be some peoples sort of yardstick somehow too

Fury has 3 names on his whole resume

Chisora a long time ago

Wladimir in the worst dethroning of a champion I have ever witnessed

And wilder a guy who was gifted a belt in yhe first place and rolled over a bunch of stiffs with no head movement he couldn't box a package for amazon

So I think him fighting mandatorys is a good measuring stick since he only has three names against guys he had a stylistic advantage over

Let's see him against usyk,whyte,Joshua and see if he still considers himself the goat

[WBC WBA IBF]

wilder a guy who was gifted a belt

Wilder worked his way up to the mandatory position, and then dominated the WBC world heavyweight champion (who was rated #2 by Ring Magazine and ESPN at the time).

If you become mandatory and then fight, and dominate, a highly rated champion, you weren't "gifted" a belt.

You're an idiot.

[PotentialToast]

Whyte's position is that interim champions are entitled to 45%. His position is ridiculous because that's a WBA rule and he's a WBC champion. The arbiter is going to laugh at him.




Correct, the rule by which a champion can request more than 70% is under the catch all rule that the president can do anything he wants.

It'll be decided by an arbiter. With Fury making $25 million per fight and Whyte making half a million per fight, there's no way the arbiter will award Whyte 45%.

Ignore WBC WBA IBF. He is a loser who talks rubbish. 45% is the starting point laid down in the WBC rules for Interik champions. Also, why would the WBC do Fury any favours? They have protected Wilder so having Fury fight Whyte helps Wilder dodge Whyte (and has admitted doing so).