Is 20% for Dillian Shyte fair given his market value?

[WBC WBA IBF]

So the WBA and IBF. What about the WBC? Given that's who we're talking about.

Lennox Lewis was given an 80/20 split against Tony Tucker.

[Toffee]

Fury's Top Rank deal is 5 fights, $100,000,000 guaranteed. All of you UK fanboys are seriously underestimating what a giant worldwide star Fury is compared to Whyte.

Fury was guaranteed $12,500,000 against Schwarz, $12,500,000 against Wallin, $28,000,000 against Wilder and $30,000,000 against Wilder. Even if he fights a nobody in his stay busy fight, Top Rank is on the hook for $17,000,000.

Fury is a commercial attraction of the highest echelon and absolutely is deserving of having the standard split modified.

So you only want to talk 'filed purse' when it comes to Whyte? With Fury it's his guarantee from the promoter.

I don't know the exact terms of Fury's deal (they weren't made public except, it seems, to you).

What were his 'filed purses' for Wallin and Schwarz?

[WBC WBA IBF]

Let's be clear. 70/30 is both the usual and the minimum split in their rules.

It's the standard split, but it's not the minimum.

They can of course make an exceptional decision - but they'd need good reason to do that and I just don't see it.

Why don't you see it? Do you disagree that Fury makes way more money than Whyte? Do you disagree that Fury has way more fans than Whyte? Do you disagree that Fury is way more famous than Whyte?

Fury's current Top Rank contract is a minimum guarantee of $100,000,000 for five fights, including the tune ups against Schwarz and Wallin. How much do you think Whyte has made in his last five fights?

[WBC WBA IBF]

So you only want to talk 'filed purse' when it comes to Whyte? With Fury it's his guarantee from the promoter.

I'm happy to talk actual purse for Whyte if you want, but the problem is that the split is going to be determined by the purses filed with the WBC. Fury was guaranteed $30,000,000 for his last fight. How much are you claiming Whyte made for his last fight?

I don't know the exact terms of Fury's deal (they weren't made public except, it seems, to you).

You're lying. They absolutely were made public.

https://www.bbc.com/sport/boxing/47280228

"British heavyweight Tyson Fury has signed a deal with a United States network worth a reported £80m."

https://www.bloodyelbow.com/2019/2/1...on-boxing-news

"According to the BBC, it is a five-fight contract, and while financial terms of the deal were not disclosed, British media has widely reported that it’s worth £80 million, which is approximately $103 million US dollars based on current currency exchange rates."


You can also do some very simple math yourself. The publicly reported guarantees for Schwarz and Wallin were $12,500,000 per fight. The publicly reported guarantee for the second Wilder fight was $28,000,000. The publicly reported guaranteed for the third Wilder fight was $30,000,000. If you weren't such a stubborn fanboy, you'd quickly realize Fury is on a whole other level compared to Whyte, easily makes 10x what Whyte makes, has 10x as many fans as Whyte, etc. 80/20 is very very fair.

What were his 'filed purses' for Wallin and Schwarz?

I believe the filed purses with the commission for those fights were $1 million, but those weren't WBC fights and those figures weren't filed with the WBC, so they may not be held against him the same way Whyte's 300,000 pounds WBC filed purse for an interim title fight will hurt him.

[Toffee]

It's the standard split, but it's not the minimum.

You've read the rules. The rules state 70/30. In exceptional circumstances 60/40, 55/45 or 50/50.

No point discussing this one anymore. It's just a fact.

Why don't you see it? Do you disagree that Fury makes way more money than Whyte? Do you disagree that Fury has way more fans than Whyte? Do you disagree that Fury is way more famous than Whyte?

Fury's current Top Rank contract is a minimum guarantee of $100,000,000 for five fights, including the tune ups against Schwarz and Wallin. How much do you think Whyte has made in his last five fights?

Yes he's a big draw. He's the World Champion so you'd kind of expect that. Do you think the WBC rules were drawn up on the assumption that their Champion would be a nobody?

I don't think it's in any way unusual for the Champion to be the bigger draw. The fact the WBC have the split at 70/30 kind of points to that.

[Toffee]

WBC WBA IBF

It literally says that the terms weren't disclosed

Do you read what you post?

In any case. Compare purses (which are known), not guarantees (which aren't) And certainly don't compare Whyte's purses with Fury's possible guarantees. You just show yourself up.

[WBC WBA IBF]

You've read the rules. The rules state 70/30. In exceptional circumstances 60/40, 55/45 or 50/50.

No point discussing this one anymore. It's just a fact.

Those are the percentages the WBC may order if the CHALLENGER is of outstanding marketing value. In this instance, it's the champion who is of outstanding marketing value, so those percentages are irrelevant.

You're overlooking rule 2.6 which clearly states:

"With respect to any purse offer that it has ordered, the WBC has the sole and exclusive authority to modify the purse offer procedure set forth herein, including all timetables, deadlines, duties and obligations of participants, and the respective percentages of the bout purses payable to the boxers."

Yes he's a big draw. He's the World Champion so you'd kind of expect that. Do you think the WBC rules were drawn up on the assumption that their Champion would be a nobody?

I don't think it's in any way unusual for the Champion to be the bigger draw. The fact the WBC have the split at 70/30 kind of points to that.

You forget that most world champions are relatively unknown and don't make tens of millions of dollars when they fight. It is only a very special small select group like Canelo, Fury, Joshua and Wilder that can command that kind of money. If you try to take someone of that level to a purse bid, there's a very good chance the sanctioning body will modify the split out of respect for the huge commercial power that select group of fighters possesses.

Dillian Whyte is completely unknown outside of the UK. He's not even 10% as well known as Fury and doesn't make 10% of what Fury makes. So why do you believe he's entitled to 30% of the money? It doesn't make any sense.

[WBC WBA IBF]

WBC WBA IBF

It literally says that the terms weren't disclosed

Do you read what you post?

In any case. Compare purses (which are known), not guarantees (which aren't) And certainly don't compare Whyte's purses with Fury's possible guarantees. You just show yourself up.

Just because a company doesn't publicly disclose the terms of a deal doesn't mean the terms don't leak. Very credible journalists reported Fury's guarantees for the Schwarz and Wallin fights as $12,500,000 per fight. Plus $28,000,000 for the second Wilder fight and $30,000,000 for the third Wilder fight. Do you dispute these figures? Do you dispute that Fury makes 10x more than Whyte and has 10x as many fans?

[Toffee]

WBC WBA IBF No I didn't overlook Rule 2.6. In fact I've quoted it to you a few times and referenced it plenty more.

They can choose to modify the splits. Note the words choose and modify.

As standard, and it's the minimum amount they specify in their rules, the challenger gets 30%. But they can choose to modify at their absolute discretion.

So why choose to modify in this case?

I get that Fury earns more than Whyte. I get that he has more Instagram followers. None of this is news.

But you had to go back to Lennox Lewis to find an example of where the WBC have acted in such an exceptional manner. Tyson Fury is not Lennox Lewis.

Anyway, I'll leave it there. I'd happily debate the debatable bits, but you don't even accept facts.

Happy Christmas.

[JakeTheBoxer]

80 -20 seems about correct.

Fury is WBC and The Ring champ and one of the best paid fighters in game.

Whyte is no draw. Fury against anybody top 20 is as big as Fury -Whyte.