Comments Thread For: Hearn On Fury-Whyte: Absolutely Want More Than 80-20 Split For Deal With Top Rank, Warren

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Whyte is entitled to 45% in a purse bid. He'd be tarded to accept anything under 35%.

The WBC ruled he's entitled to 20% in a purse bid.

[Boxingfanatic75]

The talent deference isn’t vast

Athletes simply get better over time and that’s pretty much proven in every sport where it can be proven by distance or time or any definite measurement, apart from one off very unique athletes, but not spanning across a whole era of athletes.

If you think somehow that does not apply to boxing then you are very naive.

Athletes today are simply better

Also, laughable you think Holyfield was as skilful as Usyk. His defence was poor at times. In this era of giants, he would probably get flattened.

Holyfield took shots from some of the hardest hitters in the sport be it Tyson, Bowe, Foreman. I’d take Morrison over Usyk let alone Holyfield.

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Holyfield took shots from some of the hardest hitters in the sport be it Tyson, Bowe, Foreman. I’d take Morrison over Usyk let alone Holyfield.

You’re deluded

[Boxingfanatic75]

You’re deluded

Am I? Holyfield would literally walk through Usyk to reach him. His speed was definitely on par as well as his footwork. However his power was far greater than Usyk’s is. The man could thump. Morrison had probably top 5 left hook in HW history and it was gold. Even with his glass chin I don’t feel Usyk has the power that would have kept him honest. And Tommy too was very fast. Sorry, but today’s HW division is the worst it has been in over 50 years.

[Blackstarr]

Lol Fury underdog against the formidable Ray Mercer who in his prime lost to journeyman Jesse Ferguson? And drew with an actual bum. Never mind losing to a version of Larry Holmes that had no business still boxing. So if you want to pinpoint certain fights where today’s fighters didn’t look great as the reason they would lose to the 90’s guys, let’s look at the 90’s fighters performances. We just started with Mercer who was supposedly near his prime and losing and drawing with journeymen.

Oliver McCall was no great fighter, a decent contender really but he iced Lennox Lewis. You’ve never seen Fury or Usyk get laid out like that against B or C level fighters of the time. McCall lost to some nobodies before knocking Lewis out. Imagine Fury or Usyk getting knocked out by a fighter with about 5 losses to bums? That would be even worse than them getting knocked out by someone like Breazeale.



Mike Tyson got knocked out by fringe contender Buster Douglass. Probably like getting knocked out by Takam or someone today, that sort of level.

Bowe was struggling badly with Golota before that idiot kept getting himself DQ’d, Golota was no great fighter.

See how easy this is? You can pick holes in anyones resume if you have an agenda.

And what’s my agenda exactly? Proving that 90s HWs were better than today’s, which literally everybody but yourself takes as fact? Yours is clear as day - you think Fury is the greatest thing since sliced bread and will lie and exaggerate anything to fit into that narrative. You are literally the only person I’ve come across that has claimed todays heavyweights are on par with the 90s..it’s almost blasphemous.

Larry Holmes is a top-3 HW of all time and fought at championship level for 20 years, while Ray Mercer and Andrew Golota were Gold and Bronze Olympic medalists in a time where boxing was still mainstream, and had world class power and boxing skills incomparably greater than the likes of Wilder, Whyte and a number of the other top 10 boxers today. Fury missed out on an Olympic place to David Price. Comparing Brezeale and Takam to Buster Douglas and Oliver McCall shows you have no business even debating this topic, and tbh I’m not even convinced you’ve watched any of these 90s boxers.

[Blackstarr]

The WBC ruled he's entitled to 20% in a purse bid.

I thought you’d disappeared into a ditch once Fury sent Wilder packing and Haymon lost his hold on the WBC belt.

And where did they rule that out of interest? The WBC are a corrupted organisation devoid of any transparency and integrity, who will continue to change and bend their rules as they see fit. I see another Rocchigiani case in the near future, and I actually pray that Whyte’s court case rumbles on so that the WBC can get subpoenaed and we see all the backhanders they’ve been receiving from promoters, while paying the likes of yourself to peddle their malpractice on forum boards.

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And what’s my agenda exactly? Proving that 90s HWs were better than today’s, which literally everybody but yourself takes as fact? Yours is clear as day - you think Fury is the greatest thing since sliced bread and will lie and exaggerate anything to fit into that narrative. You are literally the only person I’ve come across that has claimed todays heavyweights are on par with the 90s..it’s almost blasphemous.

Larry Holmes is a top-3 HW of all time and fought at championship level for 20 years, while Ray Mercer and Andrew Golota were Gold and Bronze Olympic medalists in a time where boxing was still mainstream, and had world class power and boxing skills incomparably greater than the likes of Wilder, Whyte and a number of the other top 10 boxers today. Fury missed out on an Olympic place to David Price. Comparing Brezeale and Takam to Buster Douglas and Oliver McCall shows you have no business even debating this topic, and tbh I’m not even convinced you’ve watched any of these 90s boxers.

I’m a huge fan of 90”s fighters but like most eras of its time they got a bad rap like today’s . I think boxing today is more branched out and is not as popular on the absence of Mike Tyson . The majority didn’t rate Lewis very highly in his time either and he was the best fighter if not the most favored to win back then . We remember wins all the time but you have to include the losses to ,many of the top guys then lost to guys today’s fighters wouldn’t ,so it’s not so easy here brushing this era off .

4 current gold medalists .

At least 4 Olympic medalists I can think of off hand ,I know there’s more .

At least a handful of international champions .

Many of the top talents today skipped the long amateur routes to get fast tracked as well ,which includes Fury himself .


I think the era of 6”5 240 pound athletic guys on average is definitely going to get its due when it’s over as all eras do when the next generation 20 years down the line look back at it . There’s a huge pool of talent and it’s only getting better the best fighters in this era haven’t even emerged yet you can include even improving former and current champions who aren’t even mid 30”s yet .

[Blackstarr]

I’m a huge fan of 90”s fighters but like most eras of its time they got a bad rap like today’s . I think boxing today is more branched out and is not as popular on the absence of Mike Tyson . The majority didn’t rate Lewis very highly in his time either and he was the best fighter if not the most favored to win back then . We remember wins all the time but you have to include the losses to ,many of the top guys then lost to guys today’s fighters wouldn’t ,so it’s not so easy here brushing this era off .

4 current gold medalists .

At least 4 Olympic medalists I can think of off hand ,I know there’s more .

At least a handful of international champions .

Many of the top talents today skipped the long amateur routes to get fast tracked as well ,which includes Fury himself .


I think the era of 6”5 240 pound athletic guys on average is definitely going to get its due when it’s over as all eras do when the next generation 20 years down the line look back at it . There’s a huge pool of talent and it’s only getting better the best fighters in this era haven’t even emerged yet you can include even improving former and current champions who aren’t even mid 30”s yet .

I’m trying to see your point, but I really don’t see it for the most part. Fury didn’t just skip the amateurs..he lost to David Price who took his place, and rather than wait another 4 years he just went pro. Olympics then the pros has always been the route for world class amateurs who make the grade..nobody willingly skips an Olympic place presented to them.

You mention the top guys then lost to fighters that the top guys wouldn’t lose to today..who’s that exactly? And how could you even tell when most of today’s HWs haven’t even fought anybody yet, and certainly not on a consistent basis?

And who are these 6ft5 athletic guys? Most picked up boxing in their late teens and are the Michael Grants of this era if you ask me. And let’s face it, a gold medal today isn’t what a gold medal was 20 years ago..the talent pool is far smaller with boxing losing America’s big men to a number of other mainstream sports. The fact Wilder won bronze tells me all I need to know.

Lewis was always recognised for his skills, he just wasn’t loved and was seen as over-calculating and lacking charisma, just like W Klitschko after him. All said and done, all one has to do is look at fights from the 90s with your own eyes and compare the skill level and intensity to that of heavyweight fights today. If the difference isn’t greatly apparent to you or anyone else, then I don’t really know what else to say.

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I’m trying to see your point, but I really don’t see it for the most part. Fury didn’t just skip the amateurs..he lost to David Price who took his place, and rather than wait another 4 years he just went pro. Olympics then the pros has always been the route for world class amateurs who make the grade..nobody willingly skips an Olympic place presented to them.

You mention the top guys then lost to fighters that the top guys wouldn’t lose to today..who’s that exactly? And how could you even tell when most of today’s HWs haven’t even fought anybody yet, and certainly not on a consistent basis?

And who are these 6ft5 athletic guys? Most picked up boxing in their late teens and are the Hugh Grants of this era if you ask me. And let’s face it, a gold medal today isn’t what a gold medal was 20 years ago..the talent pool is far smaller with boxing losing America’s big men to a number of other mainstream sports. The fact Wilder won bronze tells me all I need to know.

Lewis was always recognised for his skills, he just wasn’t loved and was seen as over-calculating and lacking charisma, just like W Klitschko after him. All said and done, all one has to do is look at fights from the 90s with your own eyes and compare the skill level and intensity to that of heavyweight fights today. If the difference isn’t greatly apparent to you or anyone else, then I don’t really know what else to say.

“a gold medal today isn’t what it was 20 years ago”

You mean when Audley Harrison won gold in 2000?

Go back to sleep old boy

[Blackstarr]

“a gold medal today isn’t what it was 20 years ago”

You mean when Audley Harrison won gold in 2000?

Go back to sleep old boy

Simple error mate..we were all referring to the 90s so obviously I meant 30-plus years ago, and not 20. Especially when you consider Wilder won a medal in that same decade, which I was pointing out. I probably could do with more sleep yes, but use some common sense to try understand the overall picture you clown.