Comments Thread For: Arum: Crawford Isn't PPV Draw, We've Lost Money On Every Fight

[aboutfkntime]

Crawford hasn't been an underdog for a very long time, and he's been in the spotlight for a long while too. Kambosos made a good first impression on many fans, and his affable personality in interviews will endear him to even more. Crawford has reached a point in his career where most have their minds made up about him, for better or worse.

just like Mayweather, and... for the exact same reason...

... who would you back to beat him ???






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[xEcto1x]

Floyd is the perfect example of how this has nothing to do with Crawfords fighting style or ability. He played the villain against de la Hoya, the darling of the sport and then the world tuned in to watch him lose from then on going forward.

Crawford you want money. You want that fame, gotta beat Canelo, bra. And why not? Move up, fight Canelo. Give us a fight we all want to see.

[OnePunch]

hey Terry ^^

the problem is... the two breakout fights that Crawford needed, never happened

Arum failed to do his job, Crawford missed Pacquiao and Spence

I could give Arum a pass for losing the Pacquiao fight for Crawford... IF, Manny was winding down his career with lesser opponents... but Pac selected Spence, so Crawford certainly was in the picture

Arum should have done what he needed to do, in order to land the Pacquiao fight for Crawford

he should have been able to pull that off with his connection to Pacquiao, and HE KNEW how important that fight was for Crawford

Arum's excuse for not making Pacquiao/Crawford was... " I wouldn’t wanna see him (Pacquiao) take that kind of damage "... but, Arum knew that Pac was considering Spence... so that excuse doesn't wash with me... Spence is just as abrasive as Crawford, possibly more so over 12 rounds

all Crawford had left was Spence, but The Bobfather did not land him either... that fight definitely should have happened

I think Arum blew it... or should I say, ignored that threat to his investment

that was likely the biggest fight in boxing, fans have been screaming for Crawford/Spence ever since bud moved up to 147... Arum either blew it, or he kept his hands in his pockets





that was gold, thanks for the insight... if you don't know, then it is unlikely that anyone else will be able to answer that question

wtf? ... dude is a phenom, I just don't get it

to your point Jake Paul... I think he bought most of his fans with him, from youtube / twitter / etc ???

I could be wrong about that... but most insiders/hardcores don't care for him, and even the casuals don't seem to give him too much thought

good to see you man, take care






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its a bit of speculation though to put the failure to land pac or spence solely on bob's shoulders. Who knows what Bud's financial demands would have been for either of those fights, especially as the B side in both fights? And this is not a rip on PBC, but you can count on ONE hand the number of times they have allowed one of their ELITE level guys to fight on another promotion, or even a split PPV. It is very rare. Sure, they let the Jacobs, Plant, etc type guys do it, but not the A-listers. Did any offers ever come from PBC to try and make Spence-Crawford, or Thurman-Crawford, or anyone vs Crawford? If there were, I never heard of them......

[aboutfkntime]

Crawford cannot sell because he is a halfwit who wants to talk about how great he is without fighting the best. No one wanted to see him fight Pac.

I don't think you have any justification for saying that...

... Mr 70/30 was as serious about fighting Crawford, as Joshua was about fighting Wilder, and Golovkin was about fighting Ward... the guy who build roadblocks, cannot be taken seriously

I agree with you about Pacquiao, I had no real interest in that fight either... Crawford vs Spence was always the fight to make, ever since bud moved up to welter

but Pacquiao is a HUGE payday, and a bigger legacy fight... it is a no-brainer, which is why EVERYONE from 140-154 wanted that fight






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[HandsofIron]

Crawford is a cold collected killer, he’s in exciting fights, is stopping top level guys who have never been stopped and he’s a welter. He shouldn’t be that hard to promote.

True however it takes two to tangle. Crawford needs top name, dancing partners to break the bank but none want to fight him.

[OnePunch]

he was a outstanding amateur, and his skills/ability were immediately obvious when he turned pro... insiders knew that he was special, and so did a lot of fans

Tim Bradley never got any big fights either dude, except for Pacquiao... he left a LOT of food on the table during his career

why the hell did Arum never mention Mayweather, for Bradley ?

in 2013, Bradley was the former undisputed champion at 140, and he was ranked #1 at welter by The Ring... just behind Mayweather

Arum should have made Bradley/Mayweather FIRST... that fight would have raised Bradley's profile for the Pacquiao trilogy

Mayweather was a MUCH bigger fight than Pacquiao, and that was a MUCH bigger payday/opportunity for Bradley... but Bob "in-house" Arum preferred Pacquiao/Bradley because... 1) the winner would be contracted to Top Rank... 2) HE WOULD NOT NEED TO OPEN THE BOOKS, and had been ripping off Pacquiao for years according to Visionquest... so keeping all that middle-money - as well as taking a percentage from Pacquiao and Bradley - meant that Top Rank would make a lot more more money than they could possibly earn from Bradley's percentage fighting Mayweather... and Arum would likely have to pay Bradley more when it came time to make Pacquiao/Bradley

Bradley missed... Thurman, Porter, Broner, Spence, Danny Garcia, Khan, Brook, Guerrero, Malignaggi, Maidana... none of those fights happened, Bradley left a LOT of food on the table at 147

Tim cleaned out 140, and looked like he had a phenomenal career in front of him... because it appeared that he would fight anyone / everyone... then, he signed with Top Rank... and by 2016, half the guys he did not fight were ranked above him

Arum is a selfish, lying, conman... which is why all of his fighters leave

I would just about bet my life, that Arum promised Crawford the Pacquiao fight... most likely on numerous occasions, which is why Crawford renewed his contract with Top Rank


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How would Arum have ever made Mayweather-Bradley? Top Rank didnt even sign Bradley until the Casamayor fight. Before that Bradley was with Gary Shaw. And by the time Bradley was with Top Rank, Floyd had been gone from TR for over 6 years, and was already into his Showtime contract.

No way Bob could have made that fight......

[kiaba360]

just like Mayweather, and... for the exact same reason...

... who would you back to beat him ???






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Just to clarify, I was explaining why Kambosos has been able to connect so quickly: because his first impression for most fans was as a wide underdog for the (almost) undisputed championship against someone who had just beaten a consensus P4P boxer (Loma). Also, Teofimo was in his hometown. Terrence's first impression for many was probably against Breidis Prescott. The scenarios couldn't be any farther from each other, in terms of scale and significance. It's not Crawford's fault, just the way things played out.

As for Crawford being an underdog....I think almost everything at 147-154 is 50/50 at worst for Crawford. MW is when I think he'd start becoming the clear underdog. If Castano can have success at 154, I think Crawford could too.

[BoxingTrain]

Well Bob obviously you didn’t Promote him right. We heard and seen how you did Crawford’s ppv fights. Don’t put on no advertisement for his fights no actual promoting. Then fight week come and here’s top rank trying to promote it now GTFOH Bob. Don’t be bitter Bob learn from your mistakes and be a better promoter

[SUBZER0ED]

One thing that I've noticed about the marketability of fighters; To maximize their earning potential, they need to have people who love them and people who hate them. People will pay to see their hero win and they will pay to see the guy they despise lose. Crawford doesn't show enough spark in his persona to get large groups of people to really love him or hate him. The guy is as dry as an old soup bone. Sure, it's the promoter's job to promote, but promote what? A quiet guy who fights really well? Bud needs to learn how to market himself, so people take interest. And fighting Shawn Porter on PPV was a mistake. Porter is good, but he's lost half of his big fights. Crawford was easily the favorite to win, so what's the draw?

[aboutfkntime]

its a bit of speculation though to put the failure to land pac or spence solely on bob's shoulders. Who knows what Bud's financial demands would have been for either of those fights, especially as the B side in both fights? And this is not a rip on PBC, but you can count on ONE hand the number of times they have allowed one of their ELITE level guys to fight on another promotion, or even a split PPV. It is very rare. Sure, they let the Jacobs, Plant, etc type guys do it, but not the A-listers. Did any offers ever come from PBC to try and make Spence-Crawford, or Thurman-Crawford, or anyone vs Crawford? If there were, I never heard of them......

yea, good points...

doubt that Crawford's financial demands prevented Pacquiao/Spence... I am sure that we would have heard something if bud had priced himself out with Pacquiao... and Arum admitted that he did not even attempt to make that fight, citing concern for Pacquiao's well-being... but fair point about the network, no idea... and nope, never heard any offers from PBC, not one

I suppose I mainly blame Arum because...

1) both of those fights really should have happened, they are no-brainers

2) Arum admitted that he did not attempt to make Pacquiao/Crawford... despite that fight being mentioned in the media on multiple occasions, and despite Pacquiao publicly showing interest in Crawford's welterweight rival Spence

3) Crawford / Spence is one of the biggest - if not the biggest - fight in boxing... but you made some great points, and we do not know the full story

4) we just watched the same thing happen to Tim Bradley

fair call, point taken... I will shut up and stop calling for Arum to suffer a public hanging by angry mob






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