What if Plant beats Canelo…

[Boxing-1013]

what has saunders ever done at 168? he almost lost to some random guy there before fighting canelo. he had no business fighting in that division and was fat. canelo saw an easy mark and took it down, oh you are hyping this guy up still? ok ill fight him at 168 where he sucks balls!

I think a motivated Saunders is a tough fight. I don't think he looked that bad vs Canelo, I was actually really impressed by Canelo's performance that fight.

At some point if Canelo keeps getting dominant clear wins, you have to give him some credit. If you just say - that guy sucks, then what else can the guy do?

I agree that in a way BJS is a hard win to completely judge - his performances are all over the map sometimes.

[PRchamp]

Mosley - shot to bits
Cotto - shot to bits
Lara - lost: gift decision
GGG - lost 1: gift decision
Trout - lost: gift decision

Jacob and Saunders have never been elite and never will be. Kovalev was shot and he took a dive.

Thank you. Canelo is a good fighter but far from some boxing great, if beating the “elite” boxer Billy Joe Saunders makes you great than the bar is set low. Also Canelo fans discredit GGG resume but Canelo lost the first fight and at best a draw in the rematch to the same guy

[Hatesrats]

Rematch.

[PBR Streetgang]

I think a motivated Saunders is a tough fight. I don't think he looked that bad vs Canelo, I was actually really impressed by Canelo's performance that fight.

At some point if Canelo keeps getting dominant clear wins, you have to give him some credit. If you just say - that guy sucks, then what else can the guy do?

I agree that in a way BJS is a hard win to completely judge - his performances are all over the map sometimes.

I thought BJS looked pretty sharp in his fight with Canelo. He made some adjustments to win some rounds but that hook to his eye socket made him bottle out. When a skilled puncher can defeat a skilled boxer I am impressed.

I'm not a Canelo fan but it was an impressive win. Plant isn't a scrub either. He has a skill set that makes him tricky and I think Plant will win some rounds but I expect Canelo to be victorious.

[BodyBagz]

Would that make Canelo the new Loma?

At one point posters were calling Loma an ATG on here. But he’s looked at as an average boxer now.

Would Canelo get the same treatment if he were to lose this weekend?

How the upset happens matters. Wass a dominant performance ala Douglas Tyson or some ho hum zzzzz shlt ala Fury Wlad ?
IF Plant completely destroys Nelo...this could be a Wilder vs Fury thing or a Mayorga vs Forest thing. An inferior fighter who has the goods vs a guy. Could be devastating.
If Plant pitty pats and runs away with Nelo's title, no big deal.

Either way, Plant will have to prove it was no fluke (not sure if there is a rematch clause).

[billeau2]

Would that make Canelo the new Loma?

At one point posters were calling Loma an ATG on here. But he’s looked at as an average boxer now.

Would Canelo get the same treatment if he were to lose this weekend?

I accept the hyperbole... Its totally acceptable as a way to open a thread, to a point. People DO NOT look at Loma as an average boxer now... They just do not... I can't even give you a reason, or example... Much respect, but silly thing to say.

**** em.. Canelo has never been dominant at the level that people project upon him. He has won in different weight classes, he is a helluva fighter, but he has not really outclassed the competition, not like Ward for example, who went into a packed middle weight division and cleaned it out, not even the projected favorite! and made it look easy. So if Plant wins, and he very well might "win" although he will never get a decision... 20 20 hindsight will make its appearence. People will say what many very good trainers are saying before the fight:

1) Plant moves extremely well... Canelo has many advantages... But foot speed aint one, and Plant is a bigger man with a decent left hook
2) Plant is a natural God given 168 pounder... could probably fly up to light heavy. While Canelo is essentially a Middle weight who has exceptional power and skill. So when Plant does not necessarily wilt when he tastes Canelo's power? this point will come out.
3) People will realize that Canelo has not been exceptional above Middle Weight in any way that makes him a Roy Jones type force to be reckoned with...Im talking levels to the game here... He beat up a Kovalev who was past it, He went life and death with triple G... Nothing really spectacular, nothing that really in hindsight makes him so much better than a champion who has basically fought at 168 for a long time now...
4) People will perhaps realize that the media who hypes the fighter du jour does not watch fighters carefully... does not understand why styles make fights (took me years to understand this addage, then again I am a bit slow on the uptake lol) and why Caleb Plant is not for Canelo... and that while Canelo might prevail, if you really look carefully at this situation? well things are not as they appear.

LOma is a great fighter who ran into a problem Hopkins ran into with Taylor. Hopkins was good enough that many of us feel he beat Tahlor twice, and at least once... But the situation is precedent at its finest: Loma, like Hopkins, found himself in a situation where power, determination, size and strength caught him off guard. Loma fell in love with his footspeed and technical ability to find weakness... But even the most powerful vampire has to beware when the sun goes down... Time ran out on Loma! The sun went down! He had to make adjustments that took risks that he was not prepared to take... Shiat happens lol.

[BodyBagz]

I accept the hyperbole... Its totally acceptable as a way to open a thread, to a point. People DO NOT look at Loma as an average boxer now... They just do not... I can't even give you a reason, or example... Much respect, but silly thing to say.

**** em.. Canelo has never been dominant. He has won in different weight classes, he is a helluva fighter, but he has not really outclassed the competition, not like Ward for example, who went into a packed middle weight division and cleaned it out, not even the projected favorite! and made it look easy. So if Plant wins, and he very well might "win" although he will never get a decision... 20 20 hindsight will make its appearence. People will say what many very good trainers are saying before the fight:

1) Plant moves extremely well
2) Plant is a natural God given 168 pounder... could probably fly up to light heavy. While Canelo is essentially a Middle weight who has exceptional power and skill. So when Plant does not necessarily wilt when he tastes Canelo's power? this point will come out.
3) People will realize that Canelo has not been exceptional above Middle Weight in any way that makes him a Roy Jones type force to be reckoned with...Im talking levels to the game here... He beat up a Kovalev who was past it, He went life and death with triple G... Nothing really spectacular, nothing that really in hindsight makes him so much better than a champion who has basically fought at 168 for a long time now...
4) People will perhaps realize that the media who hypes the fighter du jour does not watch fighters carefully... does not understand why styles make fights (took me years to understand this addage, then again I am a bit slow on the uptake lol) and why Caleb Plant is not for Canelo... and that while Canelo might prevail, if you really look carefully at this situation? well things are not as they appear.

LOma is a great fighter who ran into a problem Hopkins ran into with Taylor. Hopkins was good enough that many of us feel he beat Tahlor twice, and at least once... But the situation is precedent at its finest: Loma, like Hopkins, found himself in a situation where power, determination, size and strength caught him off guard. Loma fell in love with his footspeed and technical ability to find weakness... But even the most powerful vampire has to beware when the sun goes down... Time ran out on Loma! The sun went down! He had to make adjustments that took risks that he was not prepared to take... Shiat happens lol.

Do you think Nelo would have had any problems with the guys Plant beat ?
The Kov that Nelo beat vs this Plant, who do you have ?

I can dig going against the grain and picking an under dog, not sure this dog has teeth

[billeau2]

Loma isn’t looked at as an average fighter, he’s still a lock for the HOF and a top 2 guy in his division.

If Canelo loses, it means Plant is an elite fighter, it doesn’t massively change Canelo’s standing the sport, he’d still be viewed as one of the best fighters in the sport.

As Posted initially: the talking heads realizing the error of their ways would proclaim: "Plant is physically bigger and Canelo never looked exceptional beating up a spent Russian (Kovalev) and beating similar comp (at 168) that Plant beat... "gee how did that get past the peanut gallery?" Lol.

[Blond Beast]

Canelo is glorified for fighting a good competition, but he has got too many gifts already.

If he wins another close decision to Plant ( like he did fighting Lara or GGG 2), that will be just another proof how overrated he is.

Plant is nothing special, if Canelo is 1. p4p, he must stop Plant or win a wide decision.

Well I think Vegas has course corrected in that the odds vs Plant are wider than the odds vs BJS were even though Plant is being sold as the bigger challenge. Course the more Canelo fights the more he is due to lose in a way. Canelo hasent had a bad cut to deal with. A perfect storm has to come together for Plant to win. Canelo’s stroke with the judges will have to fade also. A fighter can lose the first or second round of they are feel outs by maybe one jab or two. They can also win a later round quite convincingly but it’s still worth only the same single point. If Plant makes it through, and it’s close on the cards, that’s fine, but it might not mean it was ever really close. I think had ggg wining the first fight, and the second fight closer to a draw. I was surprised how many people thought Kovalev was doing well vs Nelo. I thought he looked scared and in the end he proved he had a right to be. Some people thought BJS was doing well also. You could tell that every punch Canelo was landing vs BJS was taking a real toll. The outcome was not surprising. Canelo throws 90mph fastballs all night with both hands, upstairs and downstairs. I’d just love to see him in the type of fight he’s forced to get into 3rd or 4th gear and throw 50+ punches in a round.

[billeau2]

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