Claressa Shields gets smashed on the canvas - BJJ ain’t no joke

[Noelanthony]

I dunno if its the same honestly. Boxing is a combat sport, a lot of its appeal lies in people proving how tough and capable they are in a fight, the HW champ used to be called the baddest man on the planet.

Because of his knockouts and ferocious power not for putting his sweaty nuts in a mans face and both of them gyrating on the canvas in missionary position

[deowal]

Because the only people who call boxing "limited" are mma fanboys. The fact of the matter is boxing athletes are miles higher than the crossfit hobbyists and drunks who fill up the MMA world. That is reflected in the salaries of the sports.

[Roadblock]

Floyd gave up 25lbs but also took away every weapon Conor could use to stop him quickly and easily. And even then it was underwhelming considering how long it went. Conor should have been out of there within 3-4 rounds. But he went 30 mins, never hit the canvas and won a few rounds.

Claressa was fighting someone who was 3-6 and then after barely scraping through that she fought someone who only had one more fights worth of MMA experience than her. Its not like she was thrown in at the deep end, she was being fed cans and still managed to **** it up.

I'm sure Canelo and GGG would handle the equivalent of the cans Shields was given much better than she did, but if they were fighting anyone halfway decent it would likely look the same or worse. They'd have a slim punchers chance at best.

Connor was MMAs standup king at the time and in his prime, that was his main game stand up, do you think a retired 40 yr MMA guy could give today's Canelo 25lbs and beat him, somehow I don't think so, as I said never has a real power punching prime elite boxer stepped into an MMA fight, its always washed boxers out of shape and out of form and I don't count Sheilds as an elite boxer when it comes to fighting the females just don't have what the males have.

[dan_cov]

wtf. Didn't realize that Montes girl is from Guadalajara. I assume most MMA fighters are Brazilian, American, or Russian exclusively.

Its hot right now with female Mexican fighters.
Check out Irene Aldana she has some of the best boxing in MMA

[Roadblock]

None of those other combat sports resemble "street fighting" either. I pointed out that boxing is limited, which is pertinent to the thread topic, Shields lost because she is one dimensional and the holes in her game were easily exploitable. Not sure how that means I dont know anything about boxing. Why would someone that doesnt know **** about boxing be on a boxing forum? how much do you know about MMA or any other combat sport? you sure you're not just feeling a lil salty?

Shields lost because she has no power, she landed flush with shots a heavy-handed boxer would put them to sleep with, say Cristie Martin landed those shots on Montes its all over.

[Noelanthony]

"Boxing is very limited and one dimensional tbh. They're superb at what they do within that narrow environment, but put them in an open ruleset situation with MMA fighters, kickboxers, muay thai, BJJ'ers, wrestlers, judo, maybe even some better karate styles like Kyokushin, and they're likely to fare the worst of all those styles because they have the most holes in their game to exploit. People with her level of credentials in wrestling, BJJ, kickboxing etc would have likely gotten two first round finishes against the cans she was fed. Olympic judo medallist Kayla Harrison actually debuted against the same opponent that Shields did, and easily stopped her in the first round."

Kid go back to your MMA forums. You don't know **** about the sport. As another poster accurately said, the point of boxing is not to resemble street fighting in the first place. Maybe less than 1% of mma fans even understand where boxing comes from.

It works both ways put these same people that do judo, MMA, Wrestling etc in a boxing ring and forget a professional boxer beating the Sh*it out of them, Jake Paul could do it, so limited they are at boxing its not even a joke. I appreciate there is so many different ways to attack in MMA and you have to look out for kicks , elbows etc however, you would think making a transition to the limited one dimensional sport that is boxing all they have to do is watch a persons hands yet they never do and they always end up getting knocked out.. i'm beginning to believe grabbing a man butt cheeks in a fight gives MMA fighters motivation and encouragement

[Earl-Hickey]

Shields lost because she has no power, she landed flush with shots a heavy-handed boxer would put them to sleep with, say Cristie Martin landed those shots on Montes its all over.

This.

For some reason it's often feather fisted boxers who go into MMA. James Toney, Shields.

I saw a punch stay there said Shields landed 41 punches in the first couple of rounds, can you imagine if that was 41 punches from a boxer who had power.

Anyway to the argument, yeah BJJ AND KUNG FU AND WING CHUN are probably better in a street fight or whatever but I don't care about street fights or people laying on top of each other for 5 minutes, just give me a stand up trading punches any day, we all know that's what people really want out of a fight.

[TMLT87]

Connor was MMAs standup king at the time and in his prime, that was his main game stand up, do you think a retired 40 yr MMA guy could give today's Canelo 25lbs and beat him, somehow I don't think so

Yes a 40 year old former elite MMA guy who is 25lbs lighter would very likely take Canelo down and beat him much more quickly and easily than Floyd beat Conor. You're also underselling Floyd, he only retired like 18 months earlier and was still considered elite at the time.

You said it yourself - standup king, not boxing king. Add kicks to that fight and Floyd is done very quickly.

Shields lost because she has no power, she landed flush with shots a heavy-handed boxer would put them to sleep with, say Cristie Martin landed those shots on Montes its all over.

Montes was ****ing 2-0, you're literally doing "well if it was X who fought instead of Y" when talking about some random can with two fights worth of experience. Theres no excuse, Shields is an olympic medallist winning boxer, in 4oz gloves, with no counts after a knockdown, she was fed a can and embarrassed herself.

[Noelanthony]

Motorcity Cobra another black hope exposed. By a Mexican lmao deys duckin doe

Was she pursuing a career in MMA? Her bread and butter is boxing and she is a champion in that division i don't knock anyone that leaves their comfort zone to pursue another discipline and come up short. I don't care if they are Mexican, black, Chinese

[Roadblock]

Yes a 40 year old former elite MMA guy who is 25lbs lighter would very likely take Canelo down and beat him much more quickly and easily than Floyd beat Conor. You're also underselling Floyd, he only retired like 18 months earlier and was still considered elite at the time.

You said it yourself - standup king, not boxing king. Add kicks to that fight and Floyd is done very quickly.



Montes was ****ing 2-0, you're literally doing "well if it was X who fought instead of Y" when talking about some random can with two fights worth of experience. Theres no excuse, Shields is an olympic medallist winning boxer, in 4oz gloves, with no counts after a knockdown, she was fed a can and embarrassed herself.

How do you figure this and not name anyone, 25lbs lighter than Canelo and a 40tr retiree, boy oh boy they going to think Canelo hits like an 18 wheeler in a dark alley. I think you underestimate the raw power in his punches, and 25lbs is a massive handicap in a fight against an elite prime fighter, Canelo would also be so physically strong with that kind of weight advantage.