Claressa Shields gets smashed on the canvas - BJJ ain’t no joke

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  • TMLT87
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    #21
    Originally posted by Roadblock

    How do you figure this and not name anyone, 25lbs lighter than Canelo and a 40tr retiree, boy oh boy they going to think Canelo hits like an 18 wheeler in a dark alley. I think you underestimate the raw power in his punches, and 25lbs is a massive handicap in a fight against an elite prime fighter, Canelo would also be so physically strong with that kind of weight advantage.
    The reason I didnt name names is no1, its the norm, and no2, there arent that many 40+ year old retired formerly elite MMA fighters who are 25lbs or more lighter than Canelo. The UFC didnt introduce sub 155lbs weight classes until 2010. But for the sake of argument, Urijah Faber vs Canelo would be the closest equivalent I could think of to Floyd/Conor. And i'm being generous because he was never anywhere near as good as Floyd in his own sport and didnt retire on top, but hes 42 years old, hasnt fought in 2 years, fought at 135lbs, and yes, he would beat Canelo. Tyson Fury got taken down by Darren Till for ****s sake, a guy who fights at 185lbs and is known for his lack of wrestling ability.

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      #22
      Originally posted by Noelanthony
      Jake Paul could do it, so limited they are at boxing its not even a joke. I appreciate there is so many different ways to attack in MMA and you have to look out for kicks , elbows etc however, you would think making a transition to the limited one dimensional sport that is boxing all they have to do is watch a persons hands yet they never do and they always end up getting knocked out
      Askren is widely considered to have the worst striking of anyone that ever entered the UFC, had a losing record in the UFC, and was the victim of the fastest KO in UFC history (5 seconds). Woodley has some power in his right hand and gave Paul plenty of trouble but he was already known in MMA for taking his foot off the gas at times, which ultimately cost him in that fight.

      Who are all these MMA guys that "always end up getting knocked out"? Anderson? Vitor? Clay Collard? wasnt Lucas Browne an MMA fighter first? didnt Dillian Whyte fight in kickboxing and MMA before boxing? Jarrell Miller lost in kickboxing twice to an old Cro Cop who had recently been cut from the UFC after three KO losses in a row. Fabio Maldonado went the distance with Rivas and Takam when hes in his 40s and had been knocked out repeatedly in MMA including a 35 second KO loss to Stipe.

      Originally posted by Earl-Hickey

      I saw a punch stay there said Shields landed 41 punches in the first couple of rounds, can you imagine if that was 41 punches from a boxer who had power.
      Yeah can you imagine, she might have been able to beat some random chick with a 2-0 record.

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        #23
        Originally posted by TMLT87

        Askren is widely considered to have the worst striking of anyone that ever entered the UFC, had a losing record in the UFC, and was the victim of the fastest KO in UFC history (5 seconds). Woodley has some power in his right hand and gave Paul plenty of trouble but he was already known in MMA for taking his foot off the gas at times, which ultimately cost him in that fight.

        Who are all these MMA guys that "always end up getting knocked out"? Anderson? Vitor? Clay Collard? wasnt Lucas Browne an MMA fighter first? didnt Dillian Whyte fight in kickboxing and MMA before boxing? Jarrell Miller lost in kickboxing twice to an old Cro Cop who had recently been cut from the UFC after three KO losses in a row. Fabio Maldonado went the distance with Rivas and Takam when hes in his 40s and had been knocked out repeatedly in MMA including a 35 second KO loss to Stipe.



        Yeah can you imagine, she might have been able to beat some random chick with a 2-0 record.
        Let me firstly commend your articulate and semi factual response to my post, i never have a problem when people attempt to explain their viewpoint. in any case Dillian whyte first discipline was boxing. He used to train regularly at Dell youth. I dont know what his autobiography says or what boxing gym claims him but he was at Dell youth. I know this as i used to see him with my own eyes. Now he was obviously not that good as he then pursued kickboxing. i Dont really know the jarrell MIller history but i will assume he started boxing and learned his craft and fundamentals and perhaps he wasn't that guy at boxing then took the kickboxing route, thats what usually happens. If a guy is super skilled at boxing he is steered to boxing not kickboxing. Kickboxing not all the time is generally their second choice for obvious reasons (financially).

        The point im making is that even one of the best strikers in MMA who prides himself as a boxer was no match for floyd who was elderly and never knocks out anyone yet easily disposed of Mcgregor.

        ANDERSON Silva is actually a great boxer, Lets not mention Victor shall we. So to conclude i over reacted perhaps just how Garbage MMA fighters are at boxing which in fairness they are with a few exceptions .Though boxers should stay in their lane and not step foot in a cage where they can potentially get their booty scratched and put in a 69 position whether they like it or not

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          #24
          Claressa did very well for someone with limited MMA training. Brave woman.

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            #25
            So what?

            Claressa Shields is still a G and its funny seeing bitchmade dudes who've never stepped in a ring let alone an octagon talk ****. Even goats like Amanda Nunes has a bunch of losses on her record. The sport is just insanely multifaceted. I sent yesterday clinch sparring yesterday and was struggling with skinny ass bantamweight dudes. And thats just an aspect of thai boxing alone. I still think Shield's starches everyone in boxing.

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              #26
              Originally posted by TMLT87

              Askren is widely considered to have the worst striking of anyone that ever entered the UFC, had a losing record in the UFC, and was the victim of the fastest KO in UFC history (5 seconds). Woodley has some power in his right hand and gave Paul plenty of trouble but he was already known in MMA for taking his foot off the gas at times, which ultimately cost him in that fight.

              Who are all these MMA guys that "always end up getting knocked out"? Anderson? Vitor? Clay Collard? wasnt Lucas Browne an MMA fighter first? didnt Dillian Whyte fight in kickboxing and MMA before boxing? Jarrell Miller lost in kickboxing twice to an old Cro Cop who had recently been cut from the UFC after three KO losses in a row. Fabio Maldonado went the distance with Rivas and Takam when hes in his 40s and had been knocked out repeatedly in MMA including a 35 second KO loss to Stipe.



              Yeah can you imagine, she might have been able to beat some random chick with a 2-0 record.
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                #27
                Originally posted by KingGilgamesh
                So what?

                Claressa Shields is still a G and its funny seeing bitchmade dudes who've never stepped in a ring let alone an octagon talk ****. Even goats like Amanda Nunes has a bunch of losses on her record. The sport is just insanely multifaceted. I sent yesterday clinch sparring yesterday and was struggling with skinny ass bantamweight dudes. And thats just an aspect of thai boxing alone. I still think Shield's starches everyone in boxing.
                Has Shields ever starched anyone in boxing?

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                  #28
                  Originally posted by Noelanthony

                  The point im making is that even one of the best strikers in MMA who prides himself as a boxer was no match for floyd who was elderly and never knocks out anyone yet easily disposed of Mcgregor.
                  Conor was never really a "boxer" though, he was a guy who was tall and rangey for his weight class and sniped people with 4oz gloves. Obviously thats not going to translate as well to boxing. I dont think Floyd "easily" disposed of McGregor either. Easily is an actual proper KO win within a few rounds. Floyd was outlanded in the first 3-4 rounds, then in the 10th the ref waved it off while a gassed out Conor was still standing. It was not a good look which is precisely why people claim Floyd carried him.

                  And again...add kicks, knees, elbows to that fight and what happens? striking is not just boxing.

                  Originally posted by Earl-Hickey
                  I post there too

                  Did you not read the thread title again? this is about MMA. I'm not the OP either. I dont bring this **** up.

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                    #29
                    Originally posted by TMLT87

                    Conor was never really a "boxer" though, he was a guy who was tall and rangey for his weight class and sniped people with 4oz gloves. Obviously thats not going to translate as well to boxing. I dont think Floyd "easily" disposed of McGregor either. Easily is an actual proper KO win within a few rounds. Floyd was outlanded in the first 3-4 rounds, then in the 10th the ref waved it off while a gassed out Conor was still standing. It was not a good look which is precisely why people claim Floyd carried him.

                    And again...add kicks, knees, elbows to that fight and what happens? striking is not just boxing.



                    I post there too

                    Did you not read the thread title again? this is about MMA. I'm not the OP either. I dont bring this **** up.
                    Of course he Out landed him ,Floyd didn't throw any punches. He just walked him down and took everything Conor had to offer. He made his ring walk as a bank robber which was the theme of the fight

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                      #30
                      Originally posted by TMLT87

                      The reason I didnt name names is no1, its the norm, and no2, there arent that many 40+ year old retired formerly elite MMA fighters who are 25lbs or more lighter than Canelo. The UFC didnt introduce sub 155lbs weight classes until 2010. But for the sake of argument, Urijah Faber vs Canelo would be the closest equivalent I could think of to Floyd/Conor. And i'm being generous because he was never anywhere near as good as Floyd in his own sport and didnt retire on top, but hes 42 years old, hasnt fought in 2 years, fought at 135lbs, and yes, he would beat Canelo. Tyson Fury got taken down by Darren Till for ****s sake, a guy who fights at 185lbs and is known for his lack of wrestling ability.
                      42 yr old Faber beat today's Canelo with a 25lb advantage on the night you're dreaming, I guess we will have to agree to disagree, same weight is a maybe if they don't get hit solid but with a 25lb advantage to prime Canelo Id actually bet you a lot of real money on that one.

                      And so what about Fury, old Mercer took Silvias head off, triangle theories rarely workout that way.
                      Last edited by Roadblock; 10-28-2021, 06:12 AM.

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