how many fights does GGG have left?

[Lance98]

He doesn't have much left. He was gassing out by the 4th round fighting some low level guy last year. That is a bad sign if he fights top guys.

[sicko]

I feel like Murata is catching him at the right time! We just seen Pacman a older fighter off of extended Layoff not look his best on top of just the Derevyenchenko fight late in his career taking a lot out of him. Now to his Benefits Murata don't move his head well so he should be able able to get off and land big with that Power

I would give him maybe 2-3 Fights Left but he is going to start losing for sure if he sticks around too much longer

[Cypocryphy]

I feel like Murata is catching him at the right time! We just seen Pacman a older fighter off of extended Layoff not look his best on top of just the Derevyenchenko fight late in his career taking a lot out of him. Now to his Benefits Murata don't move his head well so he should be able able to get off and land big with that Power

I would give him maybe 2-3 Fights Left but he is going to start losing for sure if he sticks around too much longer

The caveat I have with criticizing GGG so harshly based on the Derevyenchenko is that, in a round about way, it was stated that Gennady was sick with the flu. Gennady never said this, and he would never say something like that, but that is what others from his team stated. I think Tom Loeffler sated this.

I think it's true because during the fight, you could see snot bubbles coming out of Gennady's nose. Never seen that before. Snot rockets. So we will see here. He had a great last fight, although the competition wasn't that great. I'm excited to see where GGG stands right now.

[SN!PER]

[earl_grey]

He’s a dunner at this point.

[Noelanthony]

GGG outlanded Canelo in 6 of the first 8 rounds according to compubox. For a total of a 26 punch advantage in those rounds. He outlanded him in all of the first 5 rounds, for a total of a 30 punch advantage.

What fight were you watching exactly?

Compubox Then Deverenchko should have beat GGG if we are going by that even with the Knockdown. With COMPUBOX who needs judges? I watched the same fight the judges watched.....Yes the corrupt judges and the commentators and myself who are also corrupt, that had Canelo winning

[Noelanthony]

Awesome! Yeah. I'd like to see that. I took notes this time to explain why I scored it as I did.



Okay. Here we go. I watched while I ate dinner. I took notes this time too, so it actually took longer than I had wanted it to. It's been awhile since I watched it. I don't remember what I scored it the first time. Anyway, I'll attach my card.

Alvarez: 111
Golovkin: 117

1	2	3	4	5	6	7	8	9	10	11	12
10	10	9	9	9	10	9	9	9	9	9	9
9	9	10	10	10	9	10	10	10	10	10	10

Round 1: Both guys trying to get the jab going. Canelo landed a couple more clean punches than Golovkin, esp. at the very beginning. Upper body movement by Canelo is beautiful.


Round 2: So close. Almost impossible to pick a winner. I score it for Canelo because of the combination counters. He edged it by a fraction. Plus, Alvarez was pushing GGG back. Sneaky hook to Golovkin’s face, left bright red mark.


Round 3: First round easy to score. GGG landed the harder punches and more of them. He also backed up Canelo more than Canelo backed him up. (Commentators shocked he’s not waking Canelo down the whole time. But GGG is going backward to not allow Canelo to get in range. GGG is controlling distance. Not backing away.)


Round 4: Canelo landed some good shots but GGG landed better. He also landed more. First adjustment by GGG, turning Alvarez.


Round 5: First blood drawn by GGG. Cut above Canelo’s left eye. He pushed GGG back a lot. Great weaving by Canelo to get inside and past GGG’s jab. But GGG out landed Canelo with clean, effective punches, getting some uppercuts in and avoiding Canelo’s quick counters more often than not.


Round 6: Canelo rallied here to a shaky beginning. Put great combos on GGG to take the round.


Round 7: GGG outworked Canelo. It was competitive the first half but second half GGG actually started landing Combos. For GGG this round goes. Was clear at the end.


Round 8: Canelo landed the flashier punches. His left eye started to really bleed, however. Also, he touched the ropes for the first time. GGG started to back him up and landed more scoring blows than Canelo.


Round 9: Dominant round for GGG. CANELO had a small rally but GGG took it in the end.


Round 10: GGG landed to vicious uppercuts in a row. Canelo then counters GGG. GGG landed the old on-two and shook Canelo. Too hurt to retaliate, he backs up onto the ropes. (Not even half the round has elapsed) Canelo’s recovery time is amazing. GGG is out working Canelo but Canelo puts it on. But GGG comes back and bloodies Canelo’s nose. Clear round for GGG. His strongest so far.


Round 11: for the first time Canelo is up against the ropes like he was in the first. Something happened in the last round and it’s no longer the same Canelo. His defense is gone. He’s getting pieced up. Canelo rallied back at the end but not enough to win it.


Round 12: GGG starts strong. First thirty seconds it’s GGG. Combos with a vicious uppercut. Canelo is pushing him back as GGG tries to maintain range. Canelo landed a couple nice shots. But GGG can’t miss with his uppercut. He landed if five times this round and through it five times. Hit every time. GGG bleeding from his left eye but was caused by a head butt. GGG came in head first, so it was his fault but still accidental.

Please tell me this is your scoring for the First Canelo vs GGG fight? You are deluded if this is your scoring for the second fight. In fact let me take that back you are generally a solid poster and i enjoy reading your post but you are slightly misguided here. Even the first fight that i admittedly had GGG WINNING 8-4 . How can the second fight that universally even GGG fans admitted that Canelo was so more competitive and you had Canelo winning just 3 rounds?

[Cypocryphy]

Please tell me this is your scoring for the First Canelo vs GGG fight? You are deluded if this is your scoring for the second fight. In fact let me take that back you are generally a solid poster and i enjoy reading your post but you are slightly misguided here. Even the first fight that i admittedly had GGG WINNING 8-4 . How can the second fight that universally even GGG fans admitted that Canelo was so more competitive and you had Canelo winning just 3 rounds?

Because I score a fight on clean, effective punching first and foremost. Everything else is secondary. You can have arguably swing rounds in the beginning of the fight. Third round could have been a swing round for Canelo. Making it 112-116. Round 5 could have been a swing round, but that's a much harder argument to make. But that would make it 113-115. The last half was all GGG. That's really not debatable.

And to explain why, you do not score points for standing your ground a quarter of the time and the other quarter pushing the other guy backward a couple feet. Especially when the other guy is out landing. Gennady simply landed the better, cleaner punches. I honestly can't see how anyone would see it differently unless they made "effective aggression" more important that actually landing punches.

GGG was trying to keep Canelo outside of midrange. Canelo is most dangerous in mid-range because he tends to have the shorter reach out of most guys he's fighting, and he prefers to throw hooks to the body or uppercuts when they bend to defend a body blow. (You know, how Canelo likes to fight.) Canelo's head movement and ability to slip makes it hard to keep him there all the time. So GGG would have to step back to keep Canelo at the end of his jab. By round three, GGG made a significant adjustment, which was to pivot laterally, rarely letting Canelo sit on his punches. Canelo started to miss a lot at this point.

You can have this a 113-115 fight, but it still has to go to GGG. Some rounds that are debatable swing rounds I gave to GGG because he just landed more and did more damage.

I know this is controversial for some, but I don't think people are looking at this objectively and giving the proper weight to the judging criteria. (And this effective aggression argument becomes ironic considering GGG pushed Canelo against the ropes again, and Canelo still couldn't do the same to GGG. Both guys were pushing the fight, so it's as if they negate each other on that account. Defensively, GGG slipped, parried and blocked a lot of punches, more than Canelo I believe. It's irrelevant, however, because I score by clean, effective punches primarily.)

[Noelanthony]

Because I score a fight on clean, effective punching first and foremost. Everything else is secondary. You can have arguably swing rounds in the beginning of the fight. Third round could have been a swing round for Canelo. Making it 112-116. Round 5 could have been a swing round, but that's a much harder argument to make. But that would make it 113-115. The last half was all GGG. That's really not debatable.

And to explain why, you do not score points for standing your ground a quarter of the time and the other quarter pushing the other guy backward a couple feet. Especially when the other guy is out landing. Gennady simply landed the better, cleaner punches. I honestly can't see how anyone would see it differently unless they made "effective aggression" more important that actually landing punches.

GGG was trying to keep Canelo outside of midrange. Canelo is most dangerous in mid-range because he tends to have the shorter reach out of most guys he's fighting. Canelo's head movement and ability to slip makes it hard to keep him there all the time. So GGG would have to step back to keep Canelo at the end of his jab. By round three, GGG made a significant adjustment, which was to pivot laterally, rarely letting Canelo sit on his punches. Canelo started to miss a lot at this point.

You can have this a 113-115 fight, but it still has to go to GGG. Some rounds that are debatable swing rounds I gave to GGG because he just landed more and did more damage.

I know this controversial for some, but I don't think people are looking at this objectively and giving the proper weight to the judging criteria. (And this effective aggression argument becomes ironic considering GGG pushed Canelo against the ropes again, and Canelo still couldn't do the same to GGG. It's irrelevant, however, because I score by clean, effective punches primarily.)

I dont agree but i respect what you are saying. The fact you at least try and justify your opinion is good enough for me. Lets agree to disagree on this topic but you make a good case. It was close either way. 113-115 i dont agree but i can accept that

[#1PaperChamp]

I see you there Floyd.

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lmao def not Floydie