Don’t Go Away Mad, Shane… Just Go Away

[prsi]

I respect your opinion cause you didnt come at me like some of these other fools. Just by looking at your avatar, Im also not going to try to make you understand my point. You might be a bit biased.

You respect my opinion but just because i have Puero Rico all over my avatar i might be biased??? Didn't quite understand that.

Any way if you look at my previous post, you will notice that my style in this forum is not the same as other and you can try to reason with me.

My response was towards your point of view comparing the triology of fighters between Ali, Foreman and Frazier and mentioning Mosley, same as Ali as the last man standing from that "trio".
The fact is that between Cotto Mosley and even PBF or whoever must be added, the story is yet to be finished and while the only ones that have faced each other have been Cotto and Mosley, being that Cotto DID beat Mosley Cotto should at this moment have the advantage, even if Mosley beat Margarito who beat* Cotto (note the asterisk on beat).

Stlyes make fight and even though Foreman ko Frazier who had beat Ali, didn't mean that Foreman was better right??

Anyway these are all opinions but the only fact is that Cotto did give Mosley a chance and did beat him also.

If you feel that i'm wrong you can go ahead and try to prove me wrong, but what you won't get from me is any insults or curses, becasue I treat people the same way I like to be treated, and when that doesn't happen I just ignore the poster.

Peace!!!!

[Dave Rado]

In a perfect world at this moment Mosley should be recognized as the undisputed welterweight champion.

No he shouldn't, he'll be recognised as soon as he avenges his loss to Cotto and not before, and that's how it should be.

And you just demean yourself by using childish insults.

[Dave Rado]

so you are using this argument about being ranked right there with ortiz. While jenning was ranked about 2 or 3 by the WBO

Maidana's high ranking was fully justified, because he barely lost against the title holder in his previous fight. He was ranked #9 by The Ring and was in all credible top 10 Welterweight lists at the time.

Jennings had never fought anyone in anyone's top 20 and had lost to some fighters who weren't in anyone's top 50. Boxrec ranked Jennings at #50 prior to the Cotto fight.

There's simply no comparison between the two fighters. None.

[Dave Rado]

The fact is that between Cotto Mosley and even PBF or whoever must be added, the story is yet to be finished and while the only ones that have faced each other have been Cotto and Mosley, being that Cotto DID beat Mosley Cotto should at this moment have the advantage, even if Mosley beat Margarito who beat* Cotto (note the asterisk on beat).

Just before Ali-Frazier II, Ali was was ranked higher than Frazier, even though Frazier had beaten Ali in their only fight up to that point. The reason was that Frazier had just had a devastating loss; and prior to that, had not fought any top heavyweights since Ali-Frazier I - whereas Ali had fought and beaten a whole string of top heavyweights during that period.

I think it's fair to rank Mosley higher than Cotto at this point, as The Ring do, boxrec do, and most other independent rankings do. Cotto lost his #1 ranking following his loss to Margarito, and although there is an asterisk against that loss, it's an asterisk, there's no proof. IMO he hasn't done enough since that loss to get his ranking back, especially given the way that Mosley destroyed Margarito. To me and to most people, the Mosley who fought Marg was a different, rejuvenated fighter compared to the version who lost to Cotto, and based on that apparent improvement, I think Mosley's #1 ranking in almost all independent lists is fair.

But where I do agree with you is that there can be no champion at the weight until Cotto and Mosley rematch each other (assuming both fighters keep winning in the meantime).

[Chuckguy]

No he shouldn't, he'll be recognised as soon as he avenges his loss to Cotto and not before, and that's how it should be.

And you just demean yourself by using childish insults.

sO BY YOUR LOGIC THEN COTTO NEEDS TO AVENGE HIS LOSS TO MARGS BEFORE HE CAN BE THE UDISPUTED WW CHAMP?
IF SHANE HAS TO AVENGE HIS LOSS TO THE GUY THAT BEAT HIM THEN COTTO SHOULD TOO BEFORE HE GETS CROWNED RIGHT?

[Bigchill79]

loved mosley thu the years. but I think age will creep up on him. We are about to enter the Clottey years

[Bigchill79]

Clottey is undeafeted. we know this.

[Dave Rado]

sO BY YOUR LOGIC THEN COTTO NEEDS TO AVENGE HIS LOSS TO MARGS BEFORE HE CAN BE THE UDISPUTED WW CHAMP?
IF SHANE HAS TO AVENGE HIS LOSS TO THE GUY THAT BEAT HIM THEN COTTO SHOULD TOO BEFORE HE GETS CROWNED RIGHT?

For a new lineal champion to be crowned, the #1 and #2 need to face off. The #1 and #2 are Mosley and Cotto.

The last lineal champion was Mayweather. Since he "retired", the #1 and #2 fighters in the division have never fought each other, for various reasons. When Cotto fought Mosley and when he fought Marg, Williams was ranked #2. When Mosley fought Marg, Cotto was ranked #2. That's why there is no champion. Currently the #1 and #2 are Mosley and Cotto, and for a new champion to be crowned, they need to fight each other.

Marg should be banned for life. But if he manages to get unbanned, which I hope he doesn't, and if he starts winning again, then the Cotto-Mosley winner would need to defend against him at some point in order to retain credibility as the champion. But not in order to become champion because Marg is no longer ranked in the top 2 at the weight.

[Chuckguy]

For a new lineal champion to be crowned, the #1 and #2 need to face off. The #1 and #2 are Cotto and Mosley.

The last lineal champion was Mayweather. Since he "retired", the #1 and #2 fighters in the division have never fought each other, for various reasons. When Cotto fought Mosley and when he fought Marg, Williams was ranked #2. When Mosley fought Marg, Cotto was ranked #2. That's why there is no champion. Currently the #1 and #2 are Cotto and Mosley, and for a new champion to be crowned, they need to fight each other.

Marg should be banned for life. But if he manages to get unbanned, which I hope he doesn't, and if he starts winning again, then the Cotto-Mosley winner would need to defend against him at some point in order to retain credibility as the champion. But not in order to become champion because Marg is no longer ranked in the top 2 at the weight.

gREAT POST.
AGREED
HEY YOU KNOW THAT MARGS IS RANKED RIGHT NOW.
I DONT KNOW HOW BUT HE IS
HHAHHA
I REALLY HOPE HE COMES BACK AND PROVES HIMSELF
IT WOULD REALLY SUCK IF HE HAD BEEN CHEATING HIS WHOLE CAREER LIKE TITO DID

[ufirst]

I hope you find yourself in a closed off location (like a dark alley) with no cameras alone with Mr. Mosley very soon... then, perhaps you will go away