Don’t Go Away Mad, Shane… Just Go Away

[philb]

Good enough for me if that's your opinion, I respect it and makes sense.

But in the meantime and IMO with these doubts you described, a 7-1 record does look much better than a 4-1 record specially if that 1 defeat in Mosley's record is a defeat against the guy he's being compared to.

Once again these records are just for WW in the last 4 years

My thing is we cant simply look at records, but how many times have we seen fights where either a fighter was robbed of a decision or it could have gone either way....(like mosley vs cotto). I think atleast u gotta take into consideration how and if they dominated the fights also. Atleast from a true fight fan it has to go beyond simple "W" vs "L" which have been tainted so often anyways in boxing.....atleast thats how i think.

[prsi]

I'd have to see a fight between Collazo and Zab or a fight between Quintana and Collazo before I made the determination of who has the better resume at 147 between Cotto and Mosley if you really want me to give you my least biased opinion.

Collazo is a difficult dude to fight, i mean look at berto, lol, he got lucky to get that decision against collazo, and u notice Berto's people are slowly extracting themselves from the promised rematch wit him. I feel bad for dude, he needs to get his belt for real....

On another note, what is the deal with colombian fighters and punching power, i just went on collazo's boxrec real quick and he only has one ko loss....to a colombian Edwin Cassiani....them dudes is beasts!!! Like ricardo torres and the rest of em, they just known for KO power.

I would like to see a fight between Collazo and Quintana also or Quintana against Berto. I truley beleive that Collazo did beat Berto and a rematch should had been inmediatly ordered after the decision in favor of Berto.

[prsi]

My thing is we cant simply look at records, but how many times have we seen fights where either a fighter was robbed of a decision or it could have gone either way....(like mosley vs cotto). I think atleast u gotta take into consideration how and if they dominated the fights also. Atleast from a true fight fan it has to go beyond simple "W" vs "L" which have been tainted so often anyways in boxing.....atleast thats how i think.

I get your point and agree with you but in this case, one of the "W" and "L" is actually against the guy you are being compared to, in addition to the fact fact of having a better record and competition at WW for the last 4 years, is on that "W" that Cotto has against Mosley what I base my opinion.

Styles make fights and just because Mosley beat Margarito in an impressive matter doesn't mean he will beat Cotto in Rematch and neither it will mean that Mosley will beat Clottey worst than he beat Margarito just because Margarito beat Clottey also.

[philb]

I get your point and agree with you but in this case, one of the "W" and "L" is actually against the guy you are being compared to, in addition to the fact fact of having a better record and competition at WW for the last 4 years, is on that "W" that Cotto has against Mosley what I base my opinion.

Styles make fights and just because Mosley beat Margarito in an impressive matter doesn't mean he will beat Cotto in Rematch and neither it will mean that Mosley will beat Clottey worst than he beat Margarito just because Margarito beat Clottey also.

Yea well said man, thats why i love this sport, u just never know come fight night regardless of records and also styles make fights. I would be highly dissappointed in mosley if he fought the same passive fight tho with cotto in the rematch, and i'd give cotto all his props then, but that first fight was damn near a draw, and mosley was never hurt, cotto was...not takin anything from him but thats what happened...but cotto still came up with the "W" based on the judges in Madison square garden, it is what it is.

[Pretty Boy32]

fact of the matter is shane is not a draw, never has never will be, he got lucky against margarito, cotto beats him again if they fight next year.

Shutup you idiot!!
Im not the biggest Mosley fan and im sick of his whining too,
but ffs he did not get lucky against marg!
He battered Tony the whole fight!

[prsi]

Yea well said man, thats why i love this sport, u just never know come fight night regardless of records and also styles make fights. I would be highly dissappointed in mosley if he fought the same passive fight tho with cotto in the rematch, and i'd give cotto all his props then, but that first fight was damn near a draw, and mosley was never hurt, cotto was...not takin anything from him but thats what happened...but cotto still came up with the "W" based on the judges in Madison square garden, it is what it is.

I agree with you and even Mosley realizes that he will have better chances in the rematch, if ever made, by being more aggressive and make Cotto fight all the rounds. Mosley was actually surprised by Cotto speed and boxing skills (he said so himself) and that cost him lots of rounds, on the other hand i saw Cotto take a few rounds off and then turn it up in the last (championship) rounds. This made the fight even closer but IMO a clear victory (close but clear) something that Cotto can't do, if he faces a more aggressive Mosley.

Peace.

[prsi]

Shutup you idiot!!
Im not the biggest Mosley fan and im sick of his whining too,
but ffs he did not get lucky against marg!
He battered Tony the whole fight!

Totally agree!!!

There was no luck involved in the Mosley-Margarito fight just a total domination from Mosley to Margarito, before the fight (plaster issue) and in the ring.

You can choose which one was worst. Margarito expose to plaster or beat up in the ring.

[philb]

One thing that gets me is why all of a sudden after such a career defining win against Margarito, all of sudden i've just seen a sharp rise in mosley hate, its just mindbogglin to me. Can someone post what exactly he said that was "whinny", the only thing i saw is a lil desperation on his part to make the pac fight, but who isn't tryin to fight him and make money, i just don't get it, look at delahoya, he strained to make weight to fight pac so now mosley is the originator of such a move? Dude is like a gentleman in the sport, so someone school me why all the hate all of a sudden, cause to me it just sounds like lil girls gossipin about dude and startin a trend.

[prsi]

One thing that gets me is why all of a sudden after such a career defining win against Margarito, all of sudden i've just seen a sharp rise in mosley hate, its just mindbogglin to me. Can someone post what exactly he said that was "whinny", the only thing i saw is a lil desperation on his part to make the pac fight, but who isn't tryin to fight him and make money, i just don't get it, look at delahoya, he strained to make weight to fight pac so now mosley is the originator of such a move? Dude is like a gentleman in the sport, so someone school me why all the hate all of a sudden, cause to me it just sounds like lil girls gossipin about dude and startin a trend.

Probably because he has said that boxers like Pacman, PBF and even Cotto are ducking him and that these boxers are only interested in money, when it is well known that it is the same reason wh Mosley want to fight them, for the money.
Mosley can't blame these boxers for getting what he wants while fighting other fighters that will provide them more money than fighting him and probably with less risk.
He can't go around claiming Cotto is ducking him because Cotto gave him a chance at his title already.
He can't go around claiming PBF is ducking him because several years earlier it was PBF calling out Mosley and it was Mosley who refused to fight him.
In Pacman's case Cotto will bring more to the table with less risk than him fighting Cotto while he adjust to these bigger oponents.

If he in fact is boxer not interested in money just a "fighter" (like he said these other fighters were not) he would had accepted to fight Paul Williams, Clottey, Berto without considering what considering what he was getting paid for. Not that i say he should.

Does he deserves the big fights??? Yes
Does he deserves the big paydays??? Yes
Has he been a gentlemen of the sport??? Abosolutely
But don't call out others for achieving what he hasn't be able to do in these days.

I wouldn't say he's whining but he's has criticized others for having his same perspective in search for big fights, and that's what probably has people criticizing him.

[Iceta]

All this negative criticism toward Mosley should be put to rest once he beats Clottey if it is a decisive victory.