Don’t Go Away Mad, Shane… Just Go Away

[pinkivory]

So what? This article is about who beat who and who has fought the better opposition. Quality of opposition shouldn't be discriminated against in terms of weight divisions. It doesn't matter if Mosley fought at 154. The fact is the tune up type bouts that Shane has taken are a lot better than Cotto's. The only thing that is accurate about this article is of how Mosley got a little too big-headed and the activity has hurt him in terms of marketability. But is Jennings really a fight? That doesn't even count as a fight in my book. So technically, Mosley has fought twice since Cotto's knockout loss to Margarito and Cotto has only fought once since then. That Jennings fight was on some ho-hum PPV against a tomato can and nobody cared about it except hardcore Pavlik fans and hardcore Cotto fans.

Now fights are not fights because of the quality of the opponent? What has become of some fans here. Look at the Ortiz fight, (not a fight b/c the other guy was a nobody) and Ortiz quit. Ortiz, which was considered by many on this forum as the next great Mexican king.

[Iceta]

Not only is this article ****** and biased. It also comes at the wrong time. Mosley is probably going to fight Clottey, so what is the writer's problem?

[ugly2000]

You don't seem to have followed boxing for very long! In a world in which there was only one title per division and the sanctioning bodies' rankings were not corrupt and they didn't strip people for bull**** reasons, you'd be right. But there are four titles per division, which means if you go by who's got the titles, there are four fighters per division who are all "the man" (which in itself makes the so-called world titles a ridiculous oxymoron). And the sanctioning bodies' rankings are all corrupt, and they all strip people for bull**** reasons.

Because of that, there is only one title that means anything in terms of anyone being able to claim they are "the man" - and that is The Ring championship.

At the moment, The Ring championship is vacant at Welterweight. To crown a new Ring champion, Mosley and Cotto need to fight each other. Cotto offered Mosley a rematch earlier this year and Mosley turned it down.

Ive been involved and following boxing for 20+ years mother****er. Yes I do know about the corrupt alphabet boys and their bogus titles. If you read my post I used the word "should". In a perfect world at this moment Mosley should be recognized as the undisputed welterweight champion. Mayweather was the recognized champion he retired which left Cotto as number one. If Cotto was not number one the matchup with Margarito would clear that up. Margarito stops Cotto whether he was cheating or not it counted. Mosley crushes Margarito. End of discussion. Do the math **** sucker.

[Iceta]

Now fights are not fights because of the quality of the opponent? What has become of some fans here. Look at the Ortiz fight, (not a fight b/c the other guy was a nobody) and Ortiz quit. Ortiz, which was considered by many on this forum as the next great Mexican king.

That is a bad comparison because Maidana could punch and Jennings couldn't.

[philb]

That is a bad comparison because Maidana could punch and Jennings couldn't.

Yea everyone knew maidana was a dangerous opponent goin into the fight, high percentage ko's, and he was ranked right up there wit ortiz in wba rankings, and were fighting for interim title if i'm not mistaken. Comparin him to jennings like the other dude said is just ridiculous......

[Kevin Jesus]

What i find a$$hole-ish of the article is that he ****s on Shane in a way I have never seen a writer **** on any fighter not named Floyd...And then he ends it with a "....I hope we can still be friends".

It's like..."Lyle Fitzsimmons you are a ****ty writer, you suck, you have no balls, you have no life, Mark Vester is better than you, you don't deserve to post your ****** articles on Boxingscene. Rick Reeno and BBP should ban you from writing on this website. I don't like you, just go away.....I hope we can still be friends".

Would Shane really want to be your friend after all that crap you wrote about him??? please edit that part out and just say you hate Shane Mosley.

[ATL_Boxer]

Yea im sure u weren't too pleased when he retired ur boy in ur avi....Vargas, LOL. First gave him a nice knot on his eye that made him quit...then KO'd him right after when he was complaining he wanted a rematch...and sugar shane served him up....i mean c'mon dawg, even delahoya said it....shane messed up by demolishing margarito and got people shook now (yea yea and the pwill "ducking" thing is gettin old, i'm sure shane will fight him next year if he come back down in weight from middleweight).

Who cares if he "retired" Vargas. Vargas was done before that. Doesn't mean he can't be my favorite fighter. The point is, SSM is running around whining like a sissy because he's not a draw and other fighters are getting big paydays. He could've fought Berto a long time ago but was a complete moron and turned it down. Now he's going to fight someone who even top tier fighters don't look great against. No one is scared of Mosley. Cotto already fought AND beat him. How can you duck someone you already beat?? P-Will has called him out and SSM admitted to being scared to fight him. Face it, he wants a payday but isn't the star him or his fans think he is.

[oc9979]

Well im done wit these convo's, lets just wait and see....after the pac-cotto fight im gonna log on and search for u die hard cotto fans, i'm sure all of u will be on hiatus after dudes chin is rocked. The the guy that was askin me to compare shanes opponents to cotto's.....why did u conveniently forget to mention that ricardo torres and demarcus corley of alll people!!! gave ur boy the linguini legs...why don't we talk bout that huh?

all these new school boxin fans have very short memories....and who cares about who is a bigger draw in boxing, last i checked this wasn't a popularity contest, but u softies make it seem like if a dude ain't got rockstar status he's nothin in boxin, u guys should be ashamed of urselves, now where my oldschool cats at that know the fight game for what it is?

those two were world champs at a time
while Rustico Torrecampo 14-8-5 record never won a title
and Medgoen Singsurat 63-5 only won one title and that was against pacman and never again won a world title

[ATL_Boxer]

This article is a fucking piece of ****. If you want my honest opinion I thought Mosley was robbed against Cotto. Yeah, I said it. I try to not let this fight cause some posters to get a bad impression of me, but I really have to tell it like it is because of this joke of an article.

If Cotto dominated Mosley why was he the only one hurt in the fight? Why was it Cotto with the cut over his eye at the end of the fight? Why did he get outlanded in power punches? Why did he fail to take the fight to the older fighter in the championship rounds? Why did Benji Estevez wait until Cotto was ready to go down from a big punch to wipe up the canvass in one of the late rounds?

And if you want to talk about resumes, if you really break it down Mosley has actually put up a more impressive run as of late:

Mosley's and Cotto's opponents since 2005.
1. Fernando Vargas, David Estrada, and Cruz > Gianluca Branco and Ricardo Torres
2. Luis Collazo and Ricardo Mayorga > Alfonzo Gomez and Michael Jennings
3.The head to head matchup which I pointed out earlier that Mosley should've won.
4. A KO win over Margarito > A KO loss to Margarito.
5. And if the Clottey fight becomes a reality how is it going to make Cotto look if Mosley absolutely dominates him when Cotto barely squeaked by him?
6. And Mosley won the title by snatching it from the challenger and not in vacant fashion.

You're post is ****** beyond belief. You only think SSM was robbed because you're a Cotto hater. Even Mosley admitted he lost. Get over it. It was a close but clear victory for Cotto. If you knew anything about boxing you'd know that Compubox numbers don't tell the whole story. They don't say what round the punches were landed. If you outlanded your opponent for the fight but land all of your punches in the first round and land nothing else the entire fight do you honestly think you'd win?? You obviously don't know much about boxing. Fights are scored on a round by round basis. Period. It's not cumulative. Judges don't wait until the end of the fight to score it. And since when was boxing a beauty pageant?! And what the hell does being cut have to do with anything?? Nothing. It doesn't prove who won a fight. You need to ask your boy Mosley and Clottey why they couldn't close the show on Cotto and Margarito could.

[oc9979]

Yea everyone knew maidana was a dangerous opponent goin into the fight, high percentage ko's, and he was ranked right up there wit ortiz in wba rankings, and were fighting for interim title if i'm not mistaken. Comparin him to jennings like the other dude said is just ridiculous......

so you are using this argument about being ranked right there with ortiz. While jenning was ranked about 2 or 3 by the WBO