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  • Dare7
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    #41
    Originally posted by Jkp

    Glass jaw AJ would have got knocked out of he tried being ruthless, just like ruiz did to him.

    AJ spent entire Parker fight hiding behind ref, and telling ref when he was ready for his mid round time out.

    We've seen vs ruiz what happens to AJ when there's a neutral ref . He gets beat up so bad he literally quits.
    Glass Jaw? AJ's jaw has been pretty solid. The only punch that touched his chin and he fell down was Klitschko as for Ruiz fight, he was hit on the temple and his equilibrium never recovered from that. AJ took all punches against Ruiz well it was just his equilibrium that cost.

    As far as chin, he got hit on his chin by Whyte, potvekin, parker and he took them well and continued fighting. Against Klitschko he got back up and fought on.

    In the rematch against Ruiz he pretty much schooled Ruiz, Ruiz barely won a round.

    All this glass Jaw talk and weak chin are just pretty much fabrication and general non factual talk against AJ that don't hold substance.

    AJ will beat Usyk and people would complain and say he beat a cruiserweight...

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    • landotter
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      #42
      Originally posted by Oldskoolg
      It’s going to be very intersting if Usyk can move and give angles. The Parker fight was much closer than the scores showed and Parker isn’t a world beater and took his foot off the gas. If Usyk can take the shots or better yet isn’t there to be hit, it’s going to get real intersting really quickly. The first two rounds will have a lot to say about how the rest of the fight will go
      I can see a couple different ways Usyk can win... and three or four Joshua can. Joshua just has natural power at HW that Usyk just physically does not, so a ton of boxing strategies that would work for Joshua will not for my man, Mr. Usyk. But I have said before, Usyk comes to win, not just do well. He has been shaky at 200+, but all it takes is one perfect night and he will cement a legacy moving up to HW that really has few peers at CW already. I 100% agree with Oldskoolg... the first few rounds will tell a VERY interesting tale. If Usyk is effective early on and avoids bombs from a naturally cautious Joshua.... wow things will get intense real fast in AJ's corner.

      I feel. I very feel.

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      • Dare7
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        #43
        Originally posted by Nash out

        Eddie didn't want War Chisora for AJ. Styles make fights and Chisora and Joshua is only 60-40 in AJ'S favor. Remember when he brought Luis Oldtiz over to fight in England for a few fights, all his guys, Joshua, Whyte, etc, were calling out everyone under the sun, except Oldtiz, as they both knew he was a problem. Eddie couldn't wait to let Oldtiz go so he could excuse Joshua and Whyte from fighting him, so Wilder had to deal with him instead. Nash out.
        Let's be real, AJ would beat the hell out of Chisora. The only thing that made AJ & Chisora not to fight is coz they are buddies from same amateur club and also both of them never really force that talk of fighting anyway. It has nothing to do with Eddie Hearn.

        As for Luiz Ortiz we all know he is a fake boogie man. AJ offered to fight him after Big Baby Miller fight was off and he refuse to fight, something that would have been his biggest pay day. Luiz Ortiz was only promoted as a boogie man that everyone don't want to fight except wilder by PBC so as to increase his market value. His resume is full of bums and low level fighters.

        Ortiz was already mandatory for WBA heavyweight title but jumped ship and fought wilder for the WBC strap coz his management team is wack and uncalculated. They gave him bad advice to avoid Joshua and instead potvekin took that spot instead.

        Saying AJ refusing to fight Ortiz is just nonsense
        Last edited by Dare7; 09-17-2021, 05:41 PM.

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        • Dare7
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          #44
          Originally posted by landotter

          I can see a couple different ways Usyk can win... and three or four Joshua can. Joshua just has natural power at HW that Usyk just physically does not, so a ton of boxing strategies that would work for Joshua will not for my man, Mr. Usyk. But I have said before, Usyk comes to win, not just do well. He has been shaky at 200+, but all it takes is one perfect night and he will cement a legacy moving up to HW that really has few peers at CW already. I 100% agree with Oldskoolg... the first few rounds will tell a VERY interesting tale. If Usyk is effective early on and avoids bombs from a naturally cautious Joshua.... wow things will get intense real fast in AJ's corner.

          I feel. I very feel.
          Well the interesting thing about most AJ's fight is that he has this tendencies to make fans, critics and analysts feel he'll lose one way or the other but somehow he comes out on top. For Me Joshua is winning this match up without much issues.

          Usyk would only try but AJ would overpower him and win.

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          • FinlandsFinest
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            #45
            Lets hope he is right cause his two fights at HW have been TRASH.

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            • HandsofIron
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              #46
              Unfortunately for Usky, all the upper echelon heavyweights are all super sized now. Even if he does become more of a natural heavyweight, he's still going to be dwarfed by the super heavies. Dude's gonna have to borrow a few of Evan Fields supplements to compete.
              Last edited by HandsofIron; 09-17-2021, 06:00 PM.

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              • Combat Talk Radio
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                #47
                Originally posted by ruedboy
                Usyk's promoter is hyping the fight. What else can he say? "My guy's a pumped up CW who couldn't dominate a guy with 8 losses?"
                That's what NSB should be saying, but no, the manager should at least say "OK, my guy does not have a heavyweight build but if you remember guys like..." and then draw that parallel of how you can still be successful.

                Evan Fields went from cruiser to heavy, so it's not unheard of. But Fields had help from steroids, or he'd have been as small as Usyk is now.

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                • thereeldeel
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                  #48
                  A lot of dumb boxing fans are basing Usyk's ability as a Heavyweight off his last 2 fights, I have a feeling Usyk will be slightly more motivated when fighting for the Heavyweight Championship..
                  For me this is a real 50/50 fight.

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                  • Zelda
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                    #49
                    Originally posted by Monty Fisto

                    You may be right, but I'm curious as to what can you point to that shows Usyk cannot take heavy punches and survive? As far as I know his chin has never looked anything other than solid. This doesn't prove he can take punches of the calibre that AJ can dish out, but I don't see how we can rank this as anything other than TBD.
                    Usyk's chin looks solid against cruiserweights, not heavyweights. We do not have enough data since Usyk hasn't fought much at HW. But I can tell you from his last fight that Usyk did not enjoy one bit engaging with Chisora. He wouldn't stay and trade and definitely did not look very comfortable there. Now Chisora is a fight that likes to keep the pressure and comes forward. But every time Chisora connected, even if it weren't clean shots, Usyk would disengage and keep the distance for safety.

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                    • elfag
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                      #50
                      chisora fight had no crowd, you can hear the punches really good and there was a huge power difference, chisoras punches had so much thump behind them even when he lands on usyk's guard you can see the difference there between a full size heavyweight and a cruiserweight who put on 10 pounds. Usyk is slower than he used to be and has no power on his shots at heavy.

                      Usyk is still more skilled but AJ can box very well, the way he boxed and moved in Ruiz 2, if he does that with Usyk he should have an easy fight. hes got the reach and he showed he has the stamina to stick and move for 12. Usyk would have to be weary with the power difference. And if AJ finds himself in the position that he is losing rounds he could apply pressure and take some risks, Usyk shouldnt be able to hurt him with any one shot and he has way more power. Usyk would have to fight a perfect fight winning round by round and i dont think he has the movement and speed left or the power to deter AJ from doing whatever AJ wants to do.

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